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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
I've been looking for info on this, but can't seem to find anything, so I thought I'd try here.
Given that there are lots and lots of variables, what would be the smallest cube a person could fit into (without being a contortionist)? I'm thinking a young lady maybe 5'-5" to 5'-8" tall and maybe 120-130 pounds or so. Thanks!
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
I think a lot will depend on their ability to "fold" themselves up. Another important consideration which will affect the size of the cube is how the person gets in, or out, of the cube. This movement will require extra space, maybe not a lot, but some none the less.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
See, I knew I came to the right place.
That's a good point about how she would get in or out. Let's say the cube starts out without a front or top, so she just sits in it, slides back, pulls her legs up, and places her head on her knees or between them. Would a two-foot cube be a reasonable place to start, or would that be too small?
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Best idea is to do what a lot of illusion designers/writers suggest, make a mock-up out of cardboard and see if that works. This would be my suggestion before you start to build anything.
By having the front door when the girl would start to get into position the door closing would "force" her feet/legs back probably further than she could pull them on her own. Blair
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
Yes a cardboard box and the exact assistant because a person with long legs might fit in a specific cube easier then someone with a long torso.
Also, different people are more flexible then others naturally, without requiring them to be extortionists. Yes extortionists: If you want to be academic about it then you would employ 3 or 4 different models with different body types and use the Largest measurement for each dimension. I would guess at 16 wide, 20 deep and 25 tall, as a starting point. If the feet can be tucked in an exterior-looking leg (or other) you may save space -or- make it easier for loafing and unloading (yes I said loafing). I made a SQ for someone who wanted to produce "normal" sized people (men included) and the tube was 30 inches tall by 8 feet in diameter. That seemed to work in most cases. There is a lot of extra room in a tube as opposed to a cube,
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Ingo Brehm New user Germany 61 Posts |
Measure her, before you build your mock-up and don't forget to let her wear the shoes (and maybe costume) that she will be wearing during a performance. Different shoes have different sizes and very different effect on a position a person can hold while inside an illusion. Sometimes even a shoe like a high heel can be a better option. We found out that our assistant can sit much more comfortable with high heels in a standard sword box then without any shoes.
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TaylorReed Special user Branson, MO 743 Posts |
I think you should first decide what the illusion is going to be..
Example.. When I lived in Vegas, I put my first wife in a T.V cabinet that was 2 foot wide 18" deep and 20" tall and had two glass doors on the front that would lock with magnets.. So we just tried it to see if she would fit.. She was 5'4" and 115lbs the point is on this example is this.. We still had nothing.. there was no trick there. So girl is in small box.. Takes a long time to get out it was soooooo small. Blammo box for example.. Looks empty and girl is in load chamber.. just having a very small box may not be a good trick unless it looks empty first.. Not sure what your trying to do? as far as effect.. I haven't had time to read all these post.. You may have mentioned the effect.. Not sure Good luck with it though Taylor
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
Taylor
This probably isn't a magic trick per-se. George just wants to ship someone overseas the cheapest way he can.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
Oh, darn, Jay, you found me out...
Actually, I know exactly where I want to go with this, but just wanted to see if there's any consensus as to dimensions before I went any farther with mockups and such. Thanks, guys. Appreciate your input.
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yadlig New user 12 Posts |
It will vary based on each assistant. My rule of thumb (or bum) is the diagonal measure of the cube should be 2" more than the measurement of the assistants bum to knee, as she is sitting with her knees up.
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