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trickychaz Special user West Virginia 549 Posts |
Howdy folks,
I have been studying 6 ring & rope moves for about 3 weeks. I have also been reading about 3 sets of 3 strolling magic. What are your thoughts on using ring & rope in two sets? Set one would include 3 moves & set 2 would be 3 completely different moves. |
jakeg Inner circle 1741 Posts |
If you are showing them to the same people, I would think that as long as the effects look sufficiently different from one another, it wouldn't be a problem. If they look close to each other, I would think twice.
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drmagico Loyal user 252 Posts |
To the lay audience it will look the same most likely so I would not do it again. I would look to find some other routine instead to add more variety to your act.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
IMO,Chaz!
The average spectator sees a ring and a rope, and some "fancy", visually interesting, and , hopefully amazing, and entertaining "moves". He sees various penetrations of the ring, on and off the rope. Generally speaking, the old Oriental "rule": "More is less" should always be considered, especially in routines of this nature, Repettition can strenghthen--or weaken, a trick or routine. Just becauses a performer CAN do nine variations, doesn't mean that he should. I have seen performers go "past the end" with a series of different (to the performer) effects. I've seen cardicians, in a session, do "six variations on a Four Ace Trick. Note that they were "sessioning", with other cardicians, not performing for a "real people"! When I was a teen age "master magician", I learned a "bunch" of card flourishes and fancy shuffles. Because I could DO them, I DID them! As I matured, I realized that the open mouths of the spectators, were not signs of amazement. They were YAWNS. They were polite, but bored! I was doing somewhat the same with flourishes with a piece of rope! Various knots like Hunter's "Shoelace" and Hunter's "Impossible Knot", Chefalo's "Square Knot" Ralph Hull's "Vanishing Overhand Knot", The "Pretzel Knot" (can't remember "whose"!) Because -I- liked them, I DID all ot them! Then, I read some of Al Baker's philosophy! Al said, "It's OK to do tricks that YOU like, but be sure that the audience likes them too! --Or, you may enjoy them by yourself!" When I learned to edit the act, the act improved immensely. In a "scene" from one of Somerset Maugham's stories, a young lady, at a cocktail party, said to her friend, "See that man over there in a tuxedo? He asked if I liked card tricks. I said, 'NO!'. He did six!" We magicians, too easly fall "in love" with moves and techniques, and, too often, we go "paat the end". Nate Leipzig always watched the ladies, especially when performing in a casual "parlor" situation. At the FIRST SIGN that they had seen "enough", he finished the trick, and quit. (All of his tricks were strong enough to close! "Nemo judes in causa sua!" (No one is a judge in his own case!) Magicians "suffer" from not having a DIRECTOR! (someone to say: "Cut that!) So, if I were you, I would do "3". If you're strolling, save the "other 3" for the next group. If you're doing a stand up show, think of Leipzig! think of AL Baker!, think of Somerset Maugham!
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themagiciansapprentice Inner circle Essex, UK 1381 Posts |
I do Pat Page's three phase ring and rope routine in one set. The other has no rope routines.
I do study Aldo Columbini's longer routines, but these are for stage not restaurant magic.
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts |
I do a three phase ring and rope routine myself that becomes more impossible with each phase and ends with a reverse kicker. It plays very well (in fact I never took it seriously until I actually performed it... but people just love it, so...) and is of exactly the right length.
I would agree with Dick's advice... 3 seems to be the 'magic' number in virtually all areas of magic routining.
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
An experienced magician said once: KISMIF = keep it simple and make it fun
old "Oslundian" wisdom |
Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
I do quite a long ring and rope routine and it goes over great.
Sometimes it is to music but sometimes as a strolling effect for when a larger group gathers. While it IS basically the same thing over and over we can frame the effects differently, straight through , now into a knot,. , Pull on that... In mid air,... gradually building to the end. While not all Magic finds the same audience, many people like the visual strength of a penetration effect and they find it more and more unbelievable as they think: well maybe?… Well no that's not it,... Oh, I know…Well, I guess not … It seems like it must be Magic. It is our job to conduct and direct them through the routine and through the mental journey that will be most Magical to them. End the end, I want them to get past figuring it out and get into the wonder and Magic of the routine. I don't expect them to believe in Magic at the end but we can free their minds for a bit. Read your audience and you will know how it is going over. Audiences give us a lot of information but we don't always want to accept it. -Mary Mowder |
ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
Sometimes I make a longer routine. I will put them in an order of getting stronger and better. let us say I have effect 1-2-3-4-5-6. this means that I will always start with #1 and finale is #6.so I can make my routine long (1 to 6) or shorter routine 1 - 2 and 6. Never will I do effect 1 then 3 then 2. because I made my ideal build. so after 3 never will I do 2. this is about the best routine and giving the audience the best routine. this is may way of doing JAZZ MAGIC. You adjust to your audience. I hope that it is clear.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I enjoy doing "Linking Hearts" with three Ring on Rope effects followed by a different "linking rings" the transition "makes sense"
I start with four rings linked together, separate into two sections of two, then into two singles. The rope holds them together in the beginning. I do Ring on Rope in order to "warm up the rings" and to insure complete attention before doing the Linking Ring phases. In each warm up set you could do different Ring on Rope moves I have always wondered why more strolling magicians do not use this incredible set of Rings by Romhany. Several moves are not possible with regular Linking Rings and can be done very close up.
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RNK Inner circle 7493 Posts |
My thoughts are, try it out. If you able to keep their attention and they are noticeably excited after your set, then do it! You will be able to tell if they lose interest in the rope work the second time around. Trial and Error- experience is the best answer.
RNK
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