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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
I am having a bit of trouble understanding what I'm supposed to do with Bobo's Standard Vanish. His book only has 2 pictures, which is not enough for someone as visually oriented as I am. Does anyone have any tips for understanding these moves better? I am also still not sure if talking specifics would be exposure.
Thanks! Ken |
daniel116 Regular user 196 Posts |
Now you made me open Bobo's, well, thanks for that haha
Anyway, it's a simple false transfer, if you're having a hard time with the brief instructions in Bobo's, you can get a beginners' DVD to help you, that's what I did. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Thumb and forefinger stay in place as the action happens on way into other hand.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Jonathan and Daniel have given you the "work". It's a simple false transfer. Don't make a "move" out of it, just do it. You can "change the moment" by asking the spec. to hold your wrist, so it can't "go up my sleeve". This focusses on the hand "with the coin" for a moment. You could ditch at this point, and then do a finger snap or ?
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks guys. Sorry I let this one go so long without replying. I've got a lot of plates spinning learning all this magic stuff (ironically, nothing to do with plates:-P).
Anyway, I am still not understanding how this is supposed to look. He basically says to turn the right hand over onto the left and curl the RH fingers in, placing the coin in CP. But when I try doing what I THINK that's supposed to look like, it looks exactly like what it is - me scooping up the coin in my RH before supposedly leaving it in my LH. The finger-curling motion of the RH seems to make a fist, which is not going to convince anyone - not the way I'm doing it. I KNOW I'm doing something wrong. But without more drawings, or a video, I don't know what that something is. I WAS able to see a coup;ld of videos of folks doing the Simple Vanish (as opposed to the Standard Vanish. What made the difference for me there was that the supposed transfer of the coin is more of a sideways toss, rather than how it looks in Bobo, which is sort of a hand-washing motion with the RH turned over flat (no fingers curled on this one) on top of the LH. Though I CAN do it with the "hand-washing" type motion now that my CP has gotten better:-). So to summarize - what am I doing that is wrong - that causes my RH to ball into a fist while palming the coin - in the Standard Vanish? And do you know of any videos that might be out there on the web right now showing this done properly? I'm still not getting it. Thanks! Ken |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2014, KenRyan wrote: I don’t think that CP is mentioned; should be thumb palm. Jim (BTW, I am looking at it now in the ebook version, which is the original MCM edition). |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Page 22, two figures. The first shows you the basic students "before" position. You rotate your right wrist counterclockwise to bring the back of your right hand and knuckles up. The secret sleight is done by the two middle fingers. A basic transfer from fingertip rest into CP. Then you pretend to release the coin from your right fingers and accept the coin into your left hand, which closes. After you get this basic transfer working you can introduce your right thumb into the action as seeming to keep hold on the coin.
Not sure how much more detail can be offered on this open thread. It's a beginner's introduction to CP that avoids showing a coin on the palm of the hand. The serious student is expected to explore starting from a tabled coin, going from pickup using the thumb to the middle fingers stealing the coin out of thumb grip and up into CP Every few Saturdays a guy who did the intermediate version visited the magic shop. He delayed the transfer till just after the coin was covered by the taking hand U
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Jonathan,
Is the CP in the revised edition? Thank you. Jim |
David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
J-Mac,
He's not referring to the Bobo vanish, but to the "standard vanish", the very first vanish taught. |
David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Ignoring the terrible webcam quality, here's a little clip of the standard vanish. I show it slowly a few times, and up to speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5kMVThUePY Notice it is an "in-transit" action in the first sequence. I put it in the other hand because I need to pull up my sleeve. This vanish is ideal for that sort of thing. It's a quick and casual pass of the coin between the hands. |
KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks David! It seems that what Bobo leaves out is that this is basically a 2-part move. First, you move the coin from between the fingers to CP (that's what is in Bobo), and second, you make the fake exchange. That second part, I've noticed in several You Tube videos, including yours, often looks like a "wipe" or "hand-wash" movement (not sure of the right terminology yet). That's mainly what I was looking for - confirmation that I knew the difference between Standard Vanish and Simple Vanish.
Does that sound right? Thanks. Ken |
Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Hi Ken, Welcome to the Café…
Lots of good responses here in tackling Bobo's from varying vantage points. You're right, there are things that have to be pieced together, and believe it or not we've all been there in getting to here. The move is creatively used here as well, along with a lot of other stuff from Bobo's. It's about realizing the pieces and then putting it all together. You'll get there, we all walked first (heck, we crawled) before we could run a bit…Just keep moving forward and embrace the journey as it comes to embrace you. *David's visual efforts here are a good, welcoming part of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhuxUbbWeMY&feature=youtu.be Again, "Welcome."
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks MB.
Ken |
wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Jon has given most of the detail. I'd also add that a false transfer of this type is meant to a done in context, not as an effect.
Place the coin into your left hand, reach for a wand on the table to your right and wave it over the closed left hand. The action that is given attention is the use of the wand. The false transfer is meant to be an economical way to get the coin into classic palm, but is not designed for scrutiny like the some of the other "vanishes" in the book. |
frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW1L3I5V......2Ht8bs-Q
this is old but not bad hope it helps but it is the Bobo vanish as described in the book and on the DVD. |
frankvomit Elite user 485 Posts |
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On Dec 27, 2014, Mb217 wrote: I love down the Rabbit hole! and you do it so good! I do a Down the rabbit hole with a sponge bunny. |
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