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Cristian Vidrascu New user 36 Posts 
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Does anyone know when B'wave first came out? And in which publication?
Any other knowledge about the inspiration behind it etc? Thanks! |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2351 Posts
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I would have to assume that Max Maven / Phil Goldstein knows for sure, but here's a quick index of related effects:
http://www.conjuringarchive.com/show.php?cat=723 |
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mtoth2008 Regular user 115 Posts
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The copywrite date on my original B' Wave instructions is 1991.
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ralphgironda Loyal user 291 Posts
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On Jan 22, 2015, mtoth2008 wrote: I believe the concept of four card brainwave is older than 1991. Karl Fulves, who did not create the effect, put out a booklet on the plot in 1978. Emailing Mr. Maven will provide you with an answer. |
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AaronSterling Veteran user 319 Posts
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On Jan 22, 2015, ralphgironda wrote: Any Queen Called For is the earliest version of the plot I know, though I've seen different dates, from 1928 to 1940something, and I don't know what is correct. |
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mtoth2008 Regular user 115 Posts
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Gentlemen, I agree Phil Goldstein would be the ultimate source but let us not confuse the origination date of B'Wave with the dates of origin of "similar plots that preceded it".
Specifically my "early" B'Wave states: Copyright 1991 by Philip T. Goldstein Special card by Magic Land, Tokyo, Japan Distributed in the U.S.A. by Hermetic Press (the Hermetic Press was incorporated in 1990 by Stephen Minch) Mike |
Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts
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The four card brainwave plot is older than B'Wave, but Max's approach was considered an IMPROVEMENT. In earlier versions you might show one of four cards reversed or one of four cards reversed with a different colored back, but in B'Wave you do the latter THEN with no sleights cleanly show the faces of the other three cards to be blank, something which couldn't be done with earlier versions.
The success of B'Wave in 1991 then revitalized the plot causing others to work on it and release their versions. |
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ursmagicbalu Inner circle India 1080 Posts
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“It’s not what you do that matters, or even how you do it;
it’s what the spectators perceive you as doing that matters. That’s the MAGIC they’ll remember.” |
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ursmagicbalu Inner circle India 1080 Posts
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An additional info
The principle of adhering-separating card pairs was invented sometime around the mid-1800s, probably by Hofzinser.
“It’s not what you do that matters, or even how you do it;
it’s what the spectators perceive you as doing that matters. That’s the MAGIC they’ll remember.” |
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts
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Ursmagicbalu, this discussion is about Phil Goldstein's B'wave, not the Brainwave Deck.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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magicalmoi New user 71 Posts
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1991
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Zlwin Chew Elite user Malaysian Magician with 437 Posts
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Would B'Wave and the Twisted Sisters be the same? Except that one uses one pile and the other two piles?
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts
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On Feb 16, 2015, Zlwin Chew wrote: No.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts
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If he decides that responding to a stranger is worth his time, which would surprise me. |
murf Loyal user San Antonio, TX 264 Posts
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It won't surprise me at all that "Mr. Maven" would respond to a request from a stranger. I've emailed him at least twice, and always received an answer --- although, come to think of it, he might not appreciate me broadcasting that:).
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Kabbalah Inner circle 1621 Posts
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On May 2nd 2005, Max Maven wrote: See here... See also inigmntoya's post.
"Long may magicians fascinate and continue to be fascinated by the mystery potential in a pack of cards."
~Cliff Green "The greatest tricks ever performed are not done at all. The audience simply think they see them." ~ John Northern Hilliard |
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