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Looch Inner circle Off by 3362 Posts |
Does anyone use this as a means to obtain information such as credit card details to later reveal once the wallet has been invisibly returned? When reading Absolute Magic, I found this application of pickpocket ting extremely desirable. Any thoughts or experiences?
All the best, looch
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enriqueenriquez Inner circle New York 1287 Posts |
Does anyone use this as a means to obtain information such as credit card details to later reveal once the wallet has been invisibly returned? When reading Absolute Magic, I found this application of pickpocket ting extremely desirable. Any thoughts or experiences?
All the best, looch |
Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts |
That is a good idea. I have never thought of that in that aspects of pick pocketing.
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Bambaladam Special user 636 Posts |
OK, well, bear in mind the ethical and legal implications...
I don't think being accused of stealing someone's wallet is going to help you land that big corporate gig. /bamba |
MichaelSibbernsen Special user Omaha, NE 513 Posts |
Unless the information you seek is "what the inside of a jail cell looks like", I'm not sure this is a good idea. I also doubt the judge will buy the "I was taking the wallet for their entertainment; I was going to give it back" defense.
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JamesCheung Loyal user London, UK 214 Posts |
I don't know the US position, as I was only trained in English law. I'm sure Mr. John Clarkson will clarify the American position on this. As far as I can see, from a UK perspective, it is OK to pick someone's pocket if you have no 'mens rea' or intent to 'permanently deprive' someone of their property even though you have technically committed the 'actus reus' or the physical act of theft, i.e., 'dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another'.
In order for a person to be found guilty, you must be able to prove both 'mens rea' and 'actus reus', but that is a matter for a court and that does not mean that you can't be arrested and tried to determine whether you are guilty of the crime... |
psychic Veteran user 337 Posts |
Dangerous!
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BonzoTheClown Regular user 176 Posts |
While what you say is true, James, I suspect that being caught red handed with the wallet would be considered as sufficient intent. I'm sure if you were billed as a "Pickpocket Entertainer" at the venue where it occurred you'd have sufficient defense, otherwise you're stepping on thin ice.
David Berglas claims to have used this method to obtain information on a few occasions in the book "Mind and Magic of David Berglas". Though this, of course, could be an exercise in myth making. Marc Climens |
Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
James, yikes. John's an all right guy. Sometimes someone has to point out the obvious.
I'd have to agree that being caught pick pocketing would be enough to land anyone with if not criminal charges then at least civil charges. |
Looch Inner circle Off by 3362 Posts |
Read "Absolute Magic". DB covers the potentially criminal aspect rather nicely,
Just curious. Has anyone been arrested for performing the watch steal?
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JamesCheung Loyal user London, UK 214 Posts |
Quote:
On 2004-02-05 03:46, Dr_Zodiac wrote: Zodiac, I wholeheartedly concur. Mr. Clarkson is indeed an all right chap. I was merely proffering my willingness to defer to his superior knowledge of American law. Quote:
On 2004-02-05 03:46, Dr_Zodiac wrote: In America that may well be the case. Over the pond, we are not so litigious. Whilst private prosecutions are not unheard of, many of us Brits neither have the time nor the inclination to launch civil actions as seems to be the wont of our American brethren, who have elevated litigation to a national sporting activity. I still maintain that picking pockets as part of a show is legally sound if you can indeed show that you had no intention to 'permanently deprive'. You can demonstrate that this is an accepted and established methodology. However, and I will say this again, it does not mean that you are arrestproof, so anyone employing this methodology needs to be very careful. If doing a formal show and to be really careful, you will probably have to have some kind of disclaimer that at least provides a degree of forewarning. |
powen New user 88 Posts |
If in doubt, there is a great deal of fun to be had from using this methodology on people you know.
Another mind blower is this: peek at a friend's bank PIN when they are at a cash machine. Much later pretend that you are doing a number thought transmission effect and ask them to think of four numbers (that you have supposedly written down on some paper in your hand). As they name the four numbers, you swami them and reveal they were correct. Next ask them to think of a four-digit number, then as an afterthought say, "Make it a number that means something to you..like a bank PIN ..something that no-one else could know." Then go ahead and reveal. Two completely different methodologies creating a mind-blowing effect. |
Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
Or pickpocket their ATM card after you've peeked their PIN.
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3362 Posts |
Heh, heh.
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JamesCoats New user 15 Posts |
I have found that pickpocketing is great for mentalism. Myself and Nicholas Byrd do a pickpocket mentalism show where one of us removes the items extracts the information we need and plant the wallet back on the individual before they now it's gone.
Once the information is retrieved we send it back and forth by the use of a verbal code. I believe we got the code from a Willard and Falkenstein (Spelling?) L&L video. It really does mess with people when you tell them their address or the first few digits of their credit card number or DL#. I will say us caution when choosing items to steal. Steal partial items like DL #'s, partial CC #'s and so on. We teach and entire 2 day course on pickpocket magic. Please see the Feb. issue of Magic Magazine page 29 for details. The dates are March 27th and 28th here in Chicago. There are only 15 seats available. For detail please PM me. Thanks, James Coats of Byrd and Coats |
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