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Just consider what might happen if mortgage holders realised the money the bank lent them is not, really, the life savings of some thrifty pensioner, but something the bank just whisked into existence through its possession of a magic wand which we, the public, handed over to it.




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When they say that there's no limit to the amount of money a bank can create, they're, quite simply, wrong.

Banks are limited by reserve requirements set by central banks.

As for this being news . . . that's just silly. The effects of fractional reserve banking have been well known and analyzed for decades at least, centuries more likely. Any beginning course in macroeconomics discusses fractional reserve banking and the money multiplier.

In short, there's nothing to see here. Move along.
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If there is no limit on the reserves a bank can have then how can there be a limit on much the banks could create?
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False premise.
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What is the limit a bank can have on reserve?
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Its deposits (assuming it makes no loans, of course).
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But there is no limit on the money people can create though credit cards they never intend to pay, or play a sort of Ponzi Scheme with several companies.

How about professional renters who manipulate the law it live "rent free" in a house for months, or the 'we pay cash" scams and Craigslist scams that rent houses they don't own.

On a sadder note, we gave the Japanese baking industry the money to start up again in the 50's -- and now many will not lend money to us. If this money had been a loan at 3% they would owe us trillions of dollars.

The Marshall Plan was necessary because we had so much gold reserves we had to give it away to jump start trade.

Yes, many banks have been artificially created, but they do have controls. It is people's greed that cannot be controlled.
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Right so there is no limit.
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Maybe this will provide some perspective to the OP. Michel Chossudovsky, the founder of the website tommy cited to support his premise, has been described thusly:

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MICHAEL CHOSSUDOVSKY, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS, UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA

As overseer of the anti-U.S., anti-globalization website GlobalResearch.ca, Chossudovsky has manufactured a long list of eyebrow-raising accusations that often read more like wild-eyed conspiracy theories than serious political discourse: the U.S. had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks ("Of course they knew!"); "Washington's New World Order weapons have the ability to trigger climate change"; the U.S. knew in advance about the December 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, but kept it to themselves (apparently so they could ride to the rescue of devastated coastal regions); big banking orchestrates the collapse of national economies. Of course, all that talk of banking conspiracies can lead one into some bigoted territory. B'nai Brith Canada has complained to the University of Ottawa about anti-Semitic postings on Chossudovsky's site.


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What money? Most of our cash is nothing but binary code that is backed by Faith, not Gold or any material object.
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On Jul 10, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Maybe this will provide some perspective to the OP. Michel Chossudovsky, the founder of the website tommy cited to support his premise, has been described thusly:

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MICHAEL CHOSSUDOVSKY, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS, UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA

As overseer of the anti-U.S., anti-globalization website GlobalResearch.ca, Chossudovsky has manufactured a long list of eyebrow-raising accusations that often read more like wild-eyed conspiracy theories than serious political discourse: the U.S. had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks ("Of course they knew!"); "Washington's New World Order weapons have the ability to trigger climate change"; the U.S. knew in advance about the December 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, but kept it to themselves (apparently so they could ride to the rescue of devastated coastal regions); big banking orchestrates the collapse of national economies. Of course, all that talk of banking conspiracies can lead one into some bigoted territory. B'nai Brith Canada has complained to the University of Ottawa about anti-Semitic postings on Chossudovsky's site.


http://www.westernstandard.ca/website/ar......&start=1


No opinion on Chossudovsky, but you've stumbled across what passes for eye-rolling right-wing journalism in Canada.
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There is no real limit to the amount banks can bank so there’s really no limit on how much banks could create, provided they can find someone willing to borrow it. Those banks can bank all there is to bank and the central could create more. How much is created is untimely decided by monetary policy of the central bankers. Reserve banking is a con and just a nice way of saying we will print IOUs for the gold we have not got.

Can you lend me £100 please? Yes! But I have only got £20 and so I will give you an IOU for £100 and call it money. Cool said the Canadian.

:rolleyes:
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Magnus- That's just one of many criticisms of Chossudovsky and his frequently bizarre assertions. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Criticism He's quite a prominent supporter of the New World Order conspiracy theory, 9/11 "trutherism," etc.
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Repaying bank loans destroys money just as making loans creates it
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Magnus- That's just one of many criticisms of Chossudovsky and his frequently bizarre assertions. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Criticism He's quite a prominent supporter of the New World Order conspiracy theory, 9/11 "trutherism," etc.


Heck, I'm not defending him. I'm simply amused by the reference.
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But there is no limit on the money people can create though credit cards they never intend to pay, or play a sort of Ponzi Scheme with several companies.

Every credit card I've ever gotten had a credit limit.

It isn't limitless.
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For newly created money to be destroyed, it needs to pass to households and companies with existing loans who want to repay them.

This bank system ought to be destroyed.

Unless you want it to destroy you.
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On Jul 10, 2015, funsway wrote:
But there is no limit on the money people can create though credit cards they never intend to pay, or play a sort of Ponzi Scheme with several companies.

Every credit card I've ever gotten had a credit limit.

It isn't limitless.


Never had a black card, eh? But is there a limit to the number of cards you can own?

(Well, theoretically, yes, but it's still quite a few.)
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As the ultimate limit to money creation by commercial banks is the monetary policy of the central bankers, so the central bankers can manipulate money, as all is measured in money, so the central bankers can manipulate all. Is it any wonder that, in the field of human conflict never was so much owed by so many to so few?
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