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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I know this is old old news. But I still can't get over what a genius Simon Aronson is. I was blown away by Try the Impossible, and very pleased with Bound to Please, muttering to myself as I was reading them "the guy's a genius, the guy's a genius."
Recently I purchased his 1995 book, Simply Simon. My muttering has started all over again. The very first effect, Point Spread is just an incredible bit of card mentalism. Shuffleboard on steroids. Do look it up again if it's sitting on your shelf. Jack Shalom
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gio Loyal user Genova - Italy 247 Posts |
I had the same reaction
One day I bought "Try the Impossible" and the day after I bought all his other books at once! And I'm glad I did that Gio |
DaveS Veteran user New York 329 Posts |
Are the routines in Aronson's books based on a memorized stack? I'm just staring to work with Osterlind's BCS and wondering how they compare, if at all, with respect to the effects you can do. Thanks.
DaveS
We shall not cease from exploration/And the end of all our exploring/Will be to arrive where we started/And know the place for the first time. (TS Elliot)
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pxs Loyal user London 284 Posts |
"Are the routines in Aronson's books based on a memorized stack?"
Not all of them. Probably about half. Neither Shuffleboard nor Point Spread which Jack mentions are based on memorized stacks "I'm just staring to work with Osterlind's BCS and wondering how they compare, if at all, with respect to the effects you can do." Aronson's stack effects are not all possible with the Osterlind stack (although the reverse is not the case - i.e. any effect that can be done with the Osterlind stack can be done with the Aronson stack too). The Osterlind stack is probably easier to get to grips with but is a less flexible tool - you can only name the next card. With Aronson, you can know all the cards. This makes for a wider range of mystifying tricks. Both systems have their advantages. |
Steve Martin Inner circle 1119 Posts |
I am new to Simon Aronson. What book/DVD do you recommend I start with?
Thanks.
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pxs Loyal user London 284 Posts |
There are no DVDs as far as I am aware
As for books, if you are interested in the stack, you had better start with "Bound to Please" which explains it and helps you remember it (it also teaches some powerful memorized and non-memorized effects such as Histed-Heisted and Shuffle-Bored) One of the best books is "Try the Impossible" but then so is "Simply Simon". Actually, come to think of it, "The Aronson Approach" is good too (but maybe the least good of the 4) |
david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Only buy his work if you are serious about the memorized deck. if you are not, please do us all a favor and do not purchase it. His stuff is too good and if you really aren't into memorized deck stuff and are just curious, you won't be doing it justice.
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Gianni Special user WILMINGTON, DE 993 Posts |
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On 2004-03-04 11:16, landmark wrote: I could not agree more. I would be totally happy just performing Aronson effects for the rest of my time in magic. My favorite, of course, are the memorized deck effects. There is a lot of common wisdom that you should never start a routine with a card effect. And if you do, it should be short and snappy. Frankly, I reject all of this advice. I'm not interested in audiences with 5 second attention spans who need to see a lot of changing colors. My favorite audience - and usually the only one I will perform for - is a thinking audience that will give me a few minutes of their attention. That's when Aronson effects just leave people glazed. Gianni |
chappy Special user 764 Posts |
I use a different presentation with the same methodology as Random Tandem from Try the Impossible and have a perfect impromptu piece of mentalism with a borrowed deck of cards. I recommend this book if you are interested in phenomenal thinking on cards.
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts |
Yes, he is. I've been performing a version of Shuffle Bored for years, and there isn't much that can more effectively transport our dear audiences to the land of searing bafflement and giddily delightful magical astonishment.
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DaveS Veteran user New York 329 Posts |
Thanks, pxs, for the Aronson vs. Osterlind stack comparisons.
I'm confused about something -- are "Shuffleboard" and "Shuffle-bored" different spellings for the same routine or are they different routines? Also, Aldo Colombini's "Pre-Deck-Ability," a triple prediction card routine, seems very similar to Aronson's Shuffle-bored. I'm wondering how they compare with respect to routining, presentation and entertainment value? DaveS
We shall not cease from exploration/And the end of all our exploring/Will be to arrive where we started/And know the place for the first time. (TS Elliot)
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
The original is still the best. Give Aronson the credit he deserves by performing his effect.
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
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On 2004-03-06 10:56, DaveS wrote: "Shuffle-Bored" is the proper spelling for the Simon Aronson effect. "Shuffleboard" is the proper spelling for a game that's played on many cruise ships and senior centers. Aldo Colombini's "Pre-Deck-Ability" was inspired by "Shuffle-Bored". Simon's original manuscript included the concept of predicting the end result, but advised against it. Aldo's version actually changed Simon's mind on the issue by using the idea of successively more detailed predictions - an idea he went on to adapt and use in "Random Sample Shuffle-Bored" in the August 2003 issue of MAGIC. The original version of "Shuffle-Bored" was simply that you could divine the number of face-up cards after the audience shuffled the cards. The manuscript also included plenty of additional ideas to try, and even some to avoid. It's a great concept with many possibilities, and I remember it as being somewhat of a magic "fad" when it came out. Everybody had their own thing they did with it. |
Top Hat Inner circle We peed on you! 1077 Posts |
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On 2004-03-04 14:18, david_a_whitehead wrote: ??? Is this a joke? I have seen some pompous posts in this forum, but this one - well...! All Simon's books are excellent. Beautiful, original, ingenious, thinking. You will have a lot of fun exploring his ideas (whether you are serious about performing his effects or not).
TH
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treysdaddy New user 92 Posts |
The trick "Random Sample' Shuffle-Bored that was in the Magic magazine was my first introduction to Aronson. As I sat on the floor doing the trick for the first time, I was just as amazed as people I do the trick for now. Knowing the setup and following his instructions didn't take the magic away. He is a genius.
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kinesis Inner circle Scotland, surrounded by 2708 Posts |
Aronson's Side-Swiped is one of my all-time favourite effects
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Mesaboogie Special user 804 Posts |
I still get totally perplexed why people don't ever mention Aronsons 'Twice as Hard'. Possibly the cleanest, most impossible card at any number effect that exists, pure utter genius. Totally.
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