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shakuni Inner circle 1170 Posts |
Hi, are there any published methods to 'instantly' locate any named card in a stack? Thanks!
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tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
MemDecks:
'Stack to Remember' and 'Bound to Please' by Simon Aronson 'Mnemonica' by Juan Tamariz 'The Nikola Card System' by Louis Nikola There are several dozen "Card Systems" like 'Breakthrough Card System' by Richard Osterlind 'The Six-Hour Memorized Deck' by Martin Joyal Dr. Hans-Christian Solka's MD3 On the other end of the spectrum... any of the various Si Stebbins stacks. "Eight kings threatened to save ninety-five queens for one sick knave." "!@#$%^& ate live tree. King intends to fix. Several for benign Queen." (John Mullholland) "A fortunate Jack severed 95 threatened sick ladies rings." (Dennis Loomis) I have a private database of over 40 stacks. PM me if you have questions.
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tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
Yikes "hungry jackA**" got censored -- my bad.
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
It's more correctly (and mnemonically) "Eight kings threatened to save, nine fine ladies for one sick knave."
Not that I think sequential stacks like this are really an effective method to satisfy shakuni's needs. For that, one needs a memorized stack (there are many).
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shakuni Inner circle 1170 Posts |
I apologize for not posting details to clarify my question. I meant if there are any published methods to find a card in a deck other then using estimated cut and pinky count.
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pnielan Regular user Northern California 154 Posts |
Darwin Ortiz has thought about this and has published many good ideas. They are not focused on "instantly". If that's your goal, it's either count or estimate, perhaps using locator cards to facilitate.
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Shakuni
I've got an ACAAN (I know, yawn ) that fits the bill. I'll be publishing it later this year. Not really an answer right now but soon enough you can read it if it interests you. I know new effects are a dime a dozen these days, so closer to the time I'll share what others have to say about it. Best, Greg
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Shakuni
Sorry, I should have paid more attention to the instantly part of your post. The effect I mentioned is not drawn out at all but is not "instant" either.
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RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
I have no idea what the OP is asking for. I instantly know the location of any named card in my stack. That's presumably not what the OP is after. Maybe the OP should read Close's Worker's 5. I dunno.
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts |
Depends on the application. Really.
For 52 choices as of now there are two main approaches. Open and Concealed Index. Depending on how they are defined one could argue there can be overlap between the two types. As far as I know there isn't an e-ink playing card that changes instantly to a wanted card. You might look up Histed, Miller, and Madison. Best, Jed |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
You could put some light edge work on your memdeck, every 5th card say (you decide which interval suits you better). So if 18 is required for example, you'd cut at the 3rd edged card (15th) and go from there.
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stickmondoo Veteran user 306 Posts |
Corner shorts
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RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Apr 25, 2016, stickmondoo wrote: Corner shorts On all the cards? |
tom_stamm Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
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On Apr 20, 2016, ddyment wrote: Doug, Sorry to take so long to reply, I sort of fell out of the conversation... not sure how that happens... Your 8-Kings mnemonic is better AND more poetic. I have a question: You said "(there are many)" Did you mean many mneumeric Sequence stacks or just many stacks. I just havn't seen a lot of the mneumeric sequence stack on the interwebs. I know "eights kings" and "Hungary J@ck@ss" (Is that the same as "J@ck@ss ate"?) and Dennis Loomis' "A Fortunate Jack", but I haven't found many other examples. Which could simply mean they were never publish, or never published on the interwebs or they aren't that popular among magicians. There also are a couple three or four Latin stack from mneumonica and Robert Houdins book. Your articles on stack are wonderful. ~Tom
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
I reference half a dozen or so mnemonic stacks in my essay, and describe a similar number of numeric progression stacks in the spreadsheet linked from same. Very few of the best magical ideas are published on the Internet, however, for obvious reasons.
And there are much better (and no more difficult to learn/use) sequential stacks than than the mnemonic and numeric progression approaches.
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carlyle Regular user 166 Posts |
A stacked/memorized marked-deck might be an idea.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Claudio and stickmondoo have good input here. If you corner short every 10th card, then you will never have to run more than 5. If you need the 18th card, cut at the 2nd short (20) and run two off the bottom. If you need the 43rd card, cut at the 4th short and run 2 off the top and the next card is your target, etc. No estimation and you arrive at exactly the card you want.
Another option if the cards are still in the box and not yet in play is to use Asi Wind's technique from Chapter One to position the named card to any position you like, on top, on bottom, or somewhere else. Not sure why there is so much effort to avoid estimation, though. By the time you have clicked your way to the 3rd or 4th short, I've already made my cut and corrected the offset. To me, it is the most direct way to get at any card in the stack.
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Steven is right. Although I don't see the need for short cards. Estimation is a tool I use all the time, and cutting to with two or three cards of any card named is very quick, simple and the most direct method I can think of to locate a named card.
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stickmondoo Veteran user 306 Posts |
I agree. I don't use Corner shorts specifically to locate all cards. I just always happen to have a corner short in my deck whether or not deck is in Memorised order or not. I use the card (5c) at position 30 so that if I am doing Stacked tricks and say someone names the seven of spades I can cut instantly at 30 and know it's 7 down with no maths. Using this one corner short and different ruses I would say 40 out of 52 cards can be discovered instantly. If one of the other cards is named I just estimate cut and do Darwin Ortiz's trick test your luck, or Simon Aronsons version of the Invisible card.
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RickDangerous Special user I can't believe I made 974 Posts |
I once read about a Mike Close practice drill called "cutting the scales" or something. Which means you practice by cutting all suits in order one after the other. I'm afraid nothing beats putting in the work and train your muscle memory.
In Pit Hartling's new book "In order to Amaze" there are also three pages (56 to 58) devoted to cutting a card to the top. And if you don't want to put in the work, have a look at Marc Oberon's Master Deck.
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