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Dafedas B Regular user 199 Posts |
Hey guys,
Here is my take on Hayashi's great routine. It might feel a bit illogical to use dollar seize coins, but that's what I do with any of my coin assembly routines, as I love the visual of the big fat coins jumping around. Reactions for that routine are always splendid.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQd3kHSA2-U Shoot also has a great ungimmicked version that I use a lot.. Hope you enjoy! b |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Beautiful, of course, but it seems weird to use four cards in the beginning
when the coins only travel between two cards in the end. It works for those who have seen a Matrix type routine and have a false expectation. Not sure how it plays for those who are unfamiliar with coin effects. Might work if a Matrix is done earlier and then other effects. Then the audience may expect a repeat, pay close attention and be doubly surprised -- even astonished.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
Not sure if we watched the same clip. Four cards, four coins, a reverse assembly involving all four cards. That is the effect.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Physically moving the coins to be under one card may somehow give a hint of what is to come but I think it only works for people who have seen Matrix before.
as presented it is not an "assembly" at all -- the coins run away from being assembled unmagically assembled. Yes, three coins seem to move from the one card to each of the other three -- and one never moves at all. How does this improve on having the coins mysteriously move to be under one card and then back? What is the story the observer will tell after? I never said I didn't like it -- just think there are better effects for the effort expended.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
Hey Dafedas B, that was wonderful. By far my favorite video you have posted. It was simple, clear, and looked perfect. I really enjoyed it.
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
And I thouroughly disagree with you funsway, I think you're looking at it as a magician. To a spectator, the trick hasn't even started when he's putting the coins under each card, it doesn't matter what he does. Because it's a video it's easier to see that it is part of the effect but in a real situation that wouldn't matter in the slightest. Even then it's quite easy to use patter to completely cover it, "These 4 coins each have a home under their own card, they may go to visit someone else, but they always go back home" or anything that simple.
Also you have a preconceived notion of what the trick is supposed to be so you see it as going against how a matrix is supposed to be, but a spectator has no idea. But more importantly, this is presented as a showcase of a sequence, not a full routine. Of course this should be injected into a matrix routine and not presented as a stand alone. I get the same advice whenever I post a video of a short sequence. It's just a demonstration for fellow magicians. |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
As noted, I think in a sequence it can work well. I don't make assumptions, and don't think one should assume an audience will make them either.
Studies have should that today's audience may not even know what playing card features are, no less old coins. They have to be educated/trained as to the normality of these things -- or they will accept them as magician's props. Add to that the decline in imagination and creativity in younger age cohorts and "strong magic" may be difficult to achieve. I can only compare the reactions of those few audiences performed for today, what I read, and the tens of thousands of performances in previous years. There is a difference. I would not perform close-up coin effects at all for an audience not experienced with magic effects. I have four different Misers Dream approaches, though. If they are known to be experienced, and you have their focused attention ... a casual audience, some on Iphone and others arguing about sports and sex will not even notice what you are doing in the early phase here. Suddenly, coins are under four cards. So what? Yes, an accomplished magician should be prepared for those rare moments in which they have audience awareness, expectation and respect. For me, this particular effect will not work without those factors, and if present, other effects might be more powerful (or a series). I work at coin effects along with effects with "found objects" because I will not perform at all unless those factors are present (except for Vanishing Wheelchair Projects) by analogy, I am a fine chef and can prepare exquisite dishes -- but would not waste the effort for a group conditioned on fast-food before a "reality" TV show. With select dinner guests I might fix a gourmet meal -- and do some magic effect too. I might even add this particular technique to a routine with diner mints and desert napkins. Thanks, Dafedas.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Dafedas B Regular user 199 Posts |
Hey guys, thx for feedback.
Actually, I've been doing that routine to lay audiences for about 8 years and it works very well. Of course, many presentations are possible. Our job to adapt to the working environment! Sometimes I do the original matrix before, but not always. Also, do not forget that all the credit goes to Hayashi: this is not my own routine. |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
What's the motivation for first very carefully placing a coin under each card when you immediately manually move them all under one card?
I'm talking about what the spectator sees, not the motivation of it being necessary for the method. |
pabloinus Inner circle 1681 Posts |
WOW, this was great, magic is real!
What is Hayashi's routine? |
pabloinus Inner circle 1681 Posts |
I just found it... never mind
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
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On Apr 28, 2016, funsway wrote: I have a lot of trouble believing this. Poker is becoming increasingly more common and popular. You need to know card features. And even f suits are hard, everyone knows their numbers/letters and colors. Quote:
On Apr 28, 2016, funsway wrote: In my mind, if you're performing for people that are fiddling on their phones or talking to each other, you're doing something wrong and/or picking the wrong time to start. You can make the "so what" argument to *any* magic plot if you miss the beginning. So you have a stack of $5's in your hand. So what? (Extreme Burn) You had a ring in your wallet. So what? You have a price tag on your jacket. So what? There *isn't* a ball under the cup. So what? Pretty much all of magic (except maybe stage magic) has this problem. If they're not paying attention, don't start a effect. |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I fully agree with your assessment, tons -- which is why I perform rarely. No group seems to be able to "pay attention" to what is going on around them.
At a dinner table, how many are paying attention to the others present and listening, and how many focused on some external distraction or electronic screen? Been in a college classroom lately? The professor should not start until they have the complete attention of every student, right? It makes me wonder what a performer means by "lay audience" sometimes. Street magicians, table hoppers, after dinner show -- all have different levels of attention and expectations. a given magic effect may not be appropriate for each venue. Alternately, one effect can be used to gather attention and focus before doing a more complex effect. Thus, it may be the job of today's performer to command attention and instruct what magic is about before performing a favorite effect. This effect above might serve later on in a series but hardly would be a good started. So, I wish a presenter would explain what setting and "lay audience" an effect seems to work for. Also, different age cohorts may have different knowledge and expectations of magic, awe and wonder, "what is impossible," etc. What does "lay" mean if they have seen you perform 10 times? What is "lay" if they have never seen a magii effect before? ,,,,, as to the first quote, it is easy to research changes in what is "common knowledge" today vs. forty years ago. and "no," kids do not always know their numbers, colors, letters - even as high school graduates. ( also easy to research) They may know that a given card is a "king" but not realize there are only four in a deck, one for each suit. For the poker crowd I am working on chip effects rather than coins. The key is that most people are not "comfortable" with either cards or coins today as they were decades ago. So, they risk looking like props rather than "found objects." Many magicians carry a deck of cards with them. Why? Isn't one readily available in every home? Maybe if you borrow four iPhones to use instead of cards, several problems can be solved at once
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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SmileAndNod Veteran user 316 Posts |
"Dang kids today don't know how to show respect to their elders" - literally every generation since the dawn of humanity.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Yup -- proved that it is true
but here, it is performer respect for the audience and audience for the performer. If that doesn't exist it is difficult for magic to occur -- entertainment, yes, any memorable sense of awe and wonder, doubtful. One of the advantages of being more senior is that I can meet someone not thought of in 50+ years -- and the first thing they mention is a magic effect I did, They can recount how they felt at that moment and the basics of the effect. My name -- not always. The year or setting, probably not. But the fact that for a moment I took them out of themselves to a land where imagination thrives over daily adversity. That they will remember forever. You see, Smile -- it is life I respect with all of its exquisite mystery. Performance magic is just a unique way of communicating that. I can certainly learn from you about what today's audience might expect from a magician. I respect that you have a different view of life and the world than I. Isn't that exciting?
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1802 Posts |
Funsway - maybe we just interact with different types of people. When I have a normal conversation, people are usually present and attentive - or at least pretend to be (they're not in their phones).
College (or stage performances) are different. You've paid for something, and if you decide you don't want to pay attention to it, that's your loss and your money down the drain (and, in the case of college, extra work to make up later). As long as the ones who aren't paying attention aren't being so distracting that those who are can't be present. Which, in fact, works with magic, too - if one person in a group of 10 isn't paying attention, I don't care. As long as the others who want to can. They'll appreciate the magic, and the last person will feel like they missed out. "Sorry, a magician never repeats a trick twice - pay more attention next time!" |
ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
Just be more interesting than the phone. Simple (but not easy) as that.
Reality is a real killjoy.
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