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mOzerian Loyal user Sydney, Global 230 Posts |
Lately I've become very interesed in the use of physchological FORCING techniques.
Now you could class all forces of this nature, but I'm specifically refering to using langage structures combined with ANCHORS, and triggers to FORCE a particular thought, of WORD, COLOUR, NUMBER. A very effect one goes as follows : Have I ever READ (anchor bye touchng nose) your mind before Would you like me to READ your mind (Repeat anchor). Ok think of a colour, (trigger by touching nose). Good, now hopfully the first colour which comes to mind will be RED of course. Does anyone have any ideas on this, or any clever forces or techniques they would like to share. THIS STUFF WORKS, AND IT KILLS |
Anabelle Special user 951 Posts |
I like Banachek's psychological subleties for this sort of thing, but I know there are others like Kenton Knepper.
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mOzerian Loyal user Sydney, Global 230 Posts |
Anabelle, Yes I'm in the process of purchasing banacheks book. Are there any FORCES of the kind we speak that you USE or have used in the past.
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Luke jermay's book deals with this more so than banachek's
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Xia Loyal user London, England 286 Posts |
No it doesn't.
Lukes book works with only the five esp symbols.
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3361 Posts |
Lukes work is based around suggestion, so is Kneppers.
Banachek has the work you seek in Pyschological subtleties, you must own this book, if you require the basics for forcing, there are other sources, docc Hilfords "real mind reading" video springs to mind for a superb verbal card force, DB has some also in his pure effect book
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
He was talking about anchors and forcing. luke's building blocks deals with this stuff as does Knepper. banachek doesn't really talk about anchoring in PS. xia, what do you mean luke only uses the 5 esp symbols?????
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3361 Posts |
I think he was reffering to the judgement day effect, where you verbally force the 5 esp card symbols, but that misses the point, the book contains a gold mine of suggestive techniques
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Yes, he probably miss the point by mistaking an example of HOW you can apply a principle to something with that something.
Also, if you couple your anchoring with some ranging forces (tht let participant feels he has more choices than what he really has) and some multiple outcomes... you can really work miracles! Paolo
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Banachek V.I.P. Houston 1086 Posts |
Hi, anchoring is a very different method of use than the common psychological force as we know it. Anchoring can sometimes enhance a psychological force but I have never seen it work the other way around since the psychological force usually can stand alone.
In other words, psychological forces do not need anchoring to make them work. But anchoring needs to be attached (hence the term anchor) to something else to make it effective. Hope that made sense. Will not be back for 10 days since I will be out of email service and have 2 minutes to check email here. Please do not reply to me personally till then. Thanks
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
Makes sense. thanks for the input Banachek. as always, a pleasure to hear from you.
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mOzerian Loyal user Sydney, Global 230 Posts |
In reference to ANCHORS, the essential purpose of an ANCHOR as far as I understand. Is to attatch somthing (eg action) to an emotion, thought or response. Thus triggering the ANCHOR by repeating the "action" elicits the response.
I agree with BANACHEK, where an anchor is not Required for a force, but it may or may not be part of a force. THis is what I wanted to explore. Essentially I wanted to elicit not just a general emotion or feeling such as "euphoria" but a precise thought, by the use of a TRIGGER. |
Xia Loyal user London, England 286 Posts |
I was aware of the anchoring being used but the thread was asking about Psycological Forces.
I didn't miss anything in Building Blocks but there is only the Judgement Day force in there 5 esp symbols. Yes this can be used else where but if they are the type of forces you want then Banacheks work is essential.
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peterng25 New user 90 Posts |
From:'Draining the Language out of Color' (Scientific American, Apr 2004, pgs. 46 & 47).
Concept: Linguistic Relativity, 'a landlubber sees a mere boat, a mariner...cannot help seeing a ship, skiff, or scow.' Fact: a speaker of Guugu Yimithirr (language spoken in Australia) when shown an arrow pointing to the left will later draw it pointing to the left ONLY if they are still facing in the direction in which they saw the arrow in the first place... If, however, they turn around, they will draw it pointing to the right. Another fact (from above article also): some language (like English) have 11 or 12 color terms, some only 2. Hunter-gatherers need fewer color words because color data rarely provide much crucially distinguishing information about a natural object or scene. So the forces and anchors would depend on the language used, the person we are talking to, and other things such as whether we are facing the same direction! Just my contribution to the discussion. |
majhra New user Australia 61 Posts |
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Essentially I wanted to elicit not just a general emotion or feeling such as "euphoria" but a precise thought, by the use of a TRIGGER. This is entirely possible, we all do it all the time. That's what words are, after all - triggers to remember certain ideas, things, places etc. To set up a word to get a precise thought takes a little practice and thought. It may be easier to use a sentence of paragraph to achieve the same effect (and describe it as a 'trigger word'). Enjoy, M. |
ivan7 Regular user 146 Posts |
There's alot of stuff in some of the NLP literature about anchoring. You can check there if you need some ideas about it.
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mOzerian Loyal user Sydney, Global 230 Posts |
I study NLP and am very familar with anchoring.
peterng25 - If you read my post, you will note my use of the word "ACTION" when creating an anchor this is precisley to avoid the confusion of language. Word anchors are possible and are used as triggers in post hypnotic suggestion very effectively. Naturally such psychological tactics depend entirly upon cultural and environmental settings Putting such variables aside for this discussion. My original question was more specifically referring to VERBAL FORCES. YES I do know that I can obtain them from all the books mentioned a million times on this thread and others. I'm wondering if anyone has any "CUTE" little verbal forces that they use and would like to share. SUCH as my 'RED' force which is very very effective. |
teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
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>Have I ever READ (anchor bye touchng nose) your mind before Would you like me to READ your mind (Repeat anchor). Ok think of a colour, (trigger by touching nose). Good, now hopfully the first colour which comes to mind will be RED of course.< Anchors work quite well if used for emotions and set more than twice Verbal confusion is usually used to produce trance Neither work as strongly as you suggest IMHO Again IMHO Q Pick a colour A Red So what? Peychological forces also work but I would have plenty of outs If you keep studying NLP you will get amszing results but this is not a well founded idea for a working effect. BUT I could be wrong LOL I thought Saddam had WMD If it worked often I would be amazed and buy your book Cheers TJ |
Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
Banacheks book and work on Psc Forces leaves Building Blocks in the dust.
Building Blocks deals with suggestive effects as well as a few other ideas such as the use of anchoring. However for a great resource on psycholoigical forces you really can't beat Psychological Subtleties. It is a "gold mine" of information on forces. Something I don't see mentioned from the book to often is Charles Pecors Subtle Book Selection. I use this an arwful lot and really like it. Just wondered if anyone else liked this as much as me? Luke Jermay. |
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