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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Storm, You're on the right path. You can SECRETLY practice CP, TP, FP while driving a car. You can even FP a coin while wring----which I have done many times without students knowledge. You'll be more comfortable with the sleights. THE MAGIC comes from routining.
TH
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Storm mason New user Japan 30 Posts |
Thanks guys, I am slowly getting my confidence back.
I realized that I can practice MB's crimp change with two of the same coins and one one realizes that there are two coins. They just think it is a fidget or soemthing. I always have coins in my hands - except in the bath. Thanks for the encouragement Not to long ago I did Hanging Coins for some students. Got a great reaction - they were expecting a simple coin vanish but got a full routine. I know I am just basic level stuff, but enjoy adapting things out to fit my personality and style. I love coins.
I have no idea how that happend.
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martonikus Regular user 167 Posts |
Spectator management is usually called "misdirection" but it might be more correct to call it "direct direction". The point is that you want to communicate the effect you are presenting. You point the spectator's mind (not their eyes) in the direction you need it to go. So long as you are engaging the spectator's attention, and providing something for them to think about, or laugh about, they won't be as caught up in a "solve the puzzle" mentality. Of course some spectators have already been conditioned to see all magic as puzzles to be solved, and this is out of your control. But they are also less likely to be caught watching magic in the first place. In the end it's most important to be funny, or at least interesting. The rest will follow. Magic is a servant of entertainment - not it's master.
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Storm mason New user Japan 30 Posts |
Ah yes, misdirection. I am reading a lot by Al Schneider at the moment. I like his ideas on intention of reality and intention of magic. I am also looking to the work of John Carney for misdirection. I think that they, Schneider and Carney, are talking about two different things, but together those two things might be very powerful indeed.
Thank you Martonikus, I found this line to be very important: "You point the spectator's mind (not their eyes) in the direction you need it to go."
I have no idea how that happend.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
If you had read TARBELL, you might not have had that problem!
"PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT" --NO!!! THAT SOUNDS GOOD, BUT IS NOT NECESSARILY CORRECT!! PRACTICE WITH THE COACHING OF A GOOD, QUALIFIED MENTOR, MAY "MAKE PERFECT"! TARBELL COVERS THAT PALMING SITUATION IN VOLUME ONE. (ONE OF THE FIRST LESSONS!) I was fortunate to read TARBELL, when I was 15. Yes, the TARBELL COURSE is 90 years old! Yes, the "patter is archaic! Yes, even the presentation style is of a different era! HERE COMES THE BUT!!! >>>But! the basic skills and techniques are ageless!<<< A GOOD QUALIFIED MENTOR, who understands the BASIC PRINCIPLES taught by TARBELL, and CAN ADVISE AND COACH (JUST AS A GOOD ATHLETIC COACH CAN ADVISE, COACH, AND MENTOR AN ATHLETE, WOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THE BASIC TECHNIQUES OF PALMING, ETC. At 15, I didn't have a MENTOR, yet, but, I did have TARBELL. Eventually, I was fortunate to meet a qualified, experienced, successful magician! But, I was able to advance much faster, because I was also reading TARBELL. Much of the show which I developed (using principles I learned from TARBELL) and used to make a FULL TIME LIVING with magic over my lifetime, CAME FROM TARBELL! The TARBELL COURSE may seem expensive. TARBELL IS AN I N V E S T M E N T. The original course is available on pdf.!!! LEARN PRINCIPLES! PRACTICE IN PRIVATE! END OF RANT!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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Storm mason New user Japan 30 Posts |
I take it you recommend Tarbell.
On my way to find a copy. I don't mind making investments.
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Storm mason New user Japan 30 Posts |
Mr Oslund,
I have managed to find a copy of the pdf. Looking over the table of contents I know what my summer reading will be. Thank you for the recommendation
I have no idea how that happend.
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Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse Inner circle 1513 Posts |
That was a good choice. You could perform a lifetime of magic from that book. It's worth the money
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amoryhermetz New user 1 Post |
From what I understand, you were practicing the change in public and someone saw how you were doing it. This kind of think can make you feel exposed, like you got caught with your pants down. Often times, we have a tendency to focus on our hands when we practice moves. We become a completely different person and no longer behave as we normally would. Make a point to relax and look around casually when you practice. If you do not focus on the move, it is very likely that no one else will. Sometimes when we practice moves, we secretly want someone to be watching in the background and say "Woah how'd you do that?!?" but this can be a dangerous thing and can build bad habits. Casualness is a very valuable form of misdirection. Still, if you are worried about practicing the Roth change in public, do it with two silver coins!
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RJLockwood Regular user Raleigh, NC 162 Posts |
Funway said something similiar to what I am about to say. You were just practicing so I'm sure there was nothing magical about it to her.
In the context of a routine you may find that she would not have done so. think of the difference between pattering "Watch the silver coin... watch it change from a silver half dollar to a chinese coin with a hole through the middle" and then changing a coin... and compare that with just changing the coin with someone spying on you. They do not know what is happening, they might not know what you are doing is "magic" or that you are a magician. they just saw a silver coin and now a chinese and they are wondering where the silver is. There is no "suspension of disbelief" because they are not watching "magic" or art. They are just watching somebody mess around with some coins. just a thought. Definitely don't lose your confidence! Welcome to the forum btw I think you will really enjoy the wisdom of some of the coin guys here especially (I know I do). Keep up the practice man and hope your magic is going well otherwise P.S. Sounds like your head is really in the right place when it comes to how you view coin magic, and sounds like you have humility too. Keep that up and maybe one day I will attend a lecture of yours
The more I learn, the less I seem to know.
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Storm mason New user Japan 30 Posts |
Amoryhermtz, thank you for your comment. At the moment I am studying John Carney for his ideas on casualness and misdirection. Really good information that is, for me , better than gold. I now have a room where I can lock the door for an hour a day and practice alone. I feel like I am improving a lot on a daiky basis. Not as smooth as I like when I watch videos of myself, but I think I will never be satisfied. I can always improve.
RJLockwood, thank you for your thoughts and kind words. I will try hard to be the best coin worker/magician I can possibly be. And I too value the collective wisdom of the people here. It is an incredible resource for answers and inspiration. Beat wishes to all.
I have no idea how that happend.
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Zee Regular user Leonia, NJ 196 Posts |
Welcome to Café Sotrm Mason! Love your name by the way
I read through the thread but realized people are either trying to avoid potentially crude comments or they did not realize it somehow. Hmmmm.... Since you only have been doing coin magic for a couple month, I assume your handling of coins is not as natural. I think that is one of the reason she suspected your "dirty hand". You will soon get used to handling coins and make moves look less suspicious if you put enough time practicing. Another potential reason I can think of is that you did not generate enough interest in the hand where magic happens. In this case, you need "direction" more than "misdirection". You might want to try to two hands further apart and focus on the important hand instead. And have some time in between movement and the effect too. If the effect happens right after certain moves happen(i.e transfer), people are going to suspect the other hand for sure. I think when you present magic to people who are close to you and they know you are just getting into magic, they ARE going to treat your magic as a puzzle because the know you are not david blaine. I always practice sleights in public because I rarely go to same place twice and I don't have to worry about seeing same people again. But I won't recommend you practicing stuff in where you go to everyday and practicing in front of those who you see everyday... Zee |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
I'm going to repeat others as well.
After 3 months, it's very unlikely that you're doing things naturally. Many things can be wrong. Your palming hand looks tense. The transfer isn't convincing. You put your attention on the hand that is hiding something. Your body language doesn't direct people where you'd like. Your timing is off and makes people logically guess what you've done. Practice with a camera until you fool yourself. (Some people say it's not necessary. I believe they are fooling themselves for other reasons...) P! |
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