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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
This article, and the ones cited, point to a link between our emotional state and quantum entanglement.
This information could be used in a variety of ways as an interesting premise for a routine. http://www.lifecoachcode.com/2017/02/26/......reality/
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Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
Psuedo-scientific babble dressed up as science; should be perfect for the aspiring modern mentalist
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Waters. Special user 703 Posts |
Yuan, I am not sure about the reason for the negative tone, the observational effect is an example of a material/physical change due to the presence of an observer, why should this (theory) be assumed that it cannot be true? If it is science it should withstand duplicated experiments. The universe is weird and wonderful.
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RexDeash New user 78 Posts |
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On Mar 28, 2017, Waters. wrote: Exactly my thoughts. |
Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
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On Mar 28, 2017, Waters. wrote: They are quoting 'Above Top Secret', a conspiracy website, as their source and there's not one peer reviewed paper backing it up. It confuses people into thinking it's real science as it has with you. That's why I feel negativity. I love real science and nonsense like this hurts that. The universe is weird and wonderful, on that I agree with wholeheartedly |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
They quote several sources, one of which is ScienceAlert, which in turn cites a source study here:
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abst......900322-X I'm not necessarily saying it's all true, but we know quantum entanglement is proven. This study shows an effect of emotions DNA. It's certainly not beyond possibility that one's unique DNA could respond to it's owner's emotional state, whether or not they were co-located. Galileo likewise didn't publish in any peer reviewed journals, he wasn't allowed to. His work was brought out in the conspiracy website of his day. It doesn't make it wrong. Peer reviewed publications don't publish anything out of the mainstream anymore. They're extremely protective of their reputations. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." And thanks for the kind words, Sean. Much appreciated.
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Yuan Moons Veteran user 348 Posts |
You don't understand history if you think Galileo would be publishing on a conspiracy website if he was around today.
And the study referenced deals with changes to DNA in regard to depression. Depression is not an emotion and this is a prime example of how pseudo science takes little bits from wherever it chooses, adds the word 'quantum' (because most people have no understanding of what quantum mechanics is actually saying) and feeds it to the masses via conspiracy websites! |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Mar 28, 2017, Yuan Moons wrote: That isn't what I said. You seem like an intelligent person, you don't need to distort my position to bolster your own. No great scientists of any age held foreign ideas with derision and contempt. They let the science speak for itself without the need for personal attacks and invective. Best wishes, Yuan. Take care.
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jacobsw New user London 67 Posts |
I'm not a biologist, but as far as I can tell, the Cell.com study says that depression (a specifically defined medical diagnosis) can cause specific genetic changes in the cells of the specific organism suffering from it. There's a huge leap from that to "In the first experiment, human DNA, isolated in a sealed container, was placed near a test subject. Scientists gave the donor emotional stimulus and fascinatingly enough, the emotions affected their DNA in the other room. "
Just to bring this back to magic -- I think magicians, more than most people, should understand that humans are pattern-seeking animals, and we're very capable of seeing two separate facts and immediately leaping to an attractive but false conclusion that seems to connect them. Science is simply a method for forcing us to slow down and make sure that our intellectual leaps are supported by the evidence. The way peer-reviewed journals protect their reputations isn't by hiding world-changing research -- it's by publishing the most world-changing research they can find that is supported by the evidence. I'm not saying pseudo-science is off limit as a source of patter-- I'm just saying you shouldn't take it any more seriously than you'd take other sources of patter, like ancient Greek myths or Star Wars films or anything else. |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Mar 28, 2017, jacobsw wrote: Jacob, I agree with everything you've said. If you carefully re-read my original post, and I genuinely don't mean that in a belittling way, I think you will see that I'm not saying anything contrary to what you've just stated.
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1866 Posts |
I love this kind of stuff. Great food for thought at the very least.
Thanks for sharing Steven. |
jacobsw New user London 67 Posts |
Steven-- yes, absolutely! As you say, you introduced this purely as a possible subject for patter. I was really responding to some of the ensuing messages in the thread, which seemed to suggest genuine belief in the "studies" mentioned in the original article. My apologies if I misunderstood anyone!
I think you are absolutely right that quantum entanglement is a really promising premise for a routine -- and my knee-jerk skepticism aside, I also appreciate your sharing it. |
Djin Regular user 191 Posts |
I think this is great stuff and in the context of mentalists discussing how this might be used as patter to add credibility to our trickery I don't see how science vs pseudo science matters a bit.
I'll take that a step further and go ahead and point out that a mentalists or a magician pointing the finger at someone and calling them "pseudo...." made me chuckle. |
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