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superhiro Regular user 101 Posts |
I used to play the piano but then I stopped and took up magic. But I don't think playing the piano had anything to do with my sleight of hand skills. My mom always told me I was good with my fingers since I was a young kid and I would play around with anything that I could get my hands on.
I think it's about getting used to the object you are playing around with. At the moment I am just used to playing around with a deck of cards. Hiro |
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Flec Special user UK 585 Posts |
I have been playing with cards for around 10 years now, and I had the reverse thoughts of what your subject is now. I thought it would help me play the piano. I actually passed the idea, and went for the guitar. Been learning for two years now, and am getting quite good. not sure if it links in with the cards tho!
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sleightly off New user California 8 Posts |
I've played the violin for 35 years now, and I really think it has helped my magic in many ways. Certainly the manual dexterity that musicians develop aids in prestidigitation. But also, the discipline that a musician learns in practicing technique and phrasing must be helpful in practicing technique and phrasing in magic. Conversely, I've definitely observed that when I'm regularly practicing card sleights, I require less warm up time on the violin.
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Kenardo1 New user 72 Posts |
Playing piano may help you become a better card man, but I know plenty of good card men who don't know anything about music: they know a lot about practice, technique, and managing people.
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Michaels Elite user 412 Posts |
Practice, Dedication and Self Discipline are the basic building blocks for achieving high levels of expertise in most professions. However, scientific studies have shown that constant exposure to music early on in life stimulates the right motor cortex of the brain. This area of the brain is involved in basic dexterity as well as other motor functions. It is also responsible for our Spatial Temporal Reasoning which is used in such areas as chess and math. The effect of music on math learing was termed the "Mozart Effect". For what it's worth, most mathmeticians are interested in music. This however, does not imply most musicians are interested in math.
With this info it does appear that the music itself may have some bearing on the magician's dexterity rather than the fact that someone plays a musical instrument. Michaels
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
Musical ability or not...Magic and Entertaining in general seems to be an acquired talent...one can take a limited survey to "prove" almost any hypothesis.
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sleightly off New user California 8 Posts |
"With this info it does appear that the music itself may have some bearing on the magician's dexterity rather than the fact that someone plays a musical instrument.
Michaels" That's an interesting point. Do you know if those studies specifically demonstrated a significant correlation between music and motor dexterity, or only music and math learning ("Mozart effect")? It would seem to make sense that although music itself may have some bearing on the magician's dexterity, the fact that someome plays a musical instrument would, at least intuitively, increase that person's manual dexterity. So both factors, the music itself and the act of playing the music, are probably significant. The way to tell of course would be to somehow objectively measure the dexterity of a person exposed to music listening at a young age and compare that to the dexterity of a person exposed to music listening and music playing at a young age. |
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Michaels Elite user 412 Posts |
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On 2004-06-21 00:59, sleightly off wrote: sleightly off, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly my point. The dexterity achieved by playing a musical instrument will definitely benefit dexterity needed for another task. I'm trying to demonstrate that there may be neuro contributions as well as the obvious mechanical contributions. To answer your question---I'm researching to see if any studies have been done on music and it's effects on dexterity. Dexterity would be a lot harder to measure than a math score. Michaels
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
Magic ended my music career. I have no regrets though. I still play occasionally. Finder dexterity comes with hard work and hard work comes thru work ethic and musicians usually have good work ethic.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
WALTER SCOTT played the Banjo.
What I find odd is that guys who play the guitar will have real hard fingertips, yet can still deal a second etc.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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LHatton New user England 9 Posts |
Well I'm a crap piano player and a crap card tricker? So, it's probably right!
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pepijn Regular user Utrecht (the netherlands) 134 Posts |
Well well nice to see all musicians here. I am not a piano player but I am a cellist. and I thought I would bring up a little story for illustrion of the point I'll try to make a little later on.
I switched to a different cello teacher (he is really good, no joke here) and I am really nervous the first couple of lessons (still a little though) but after I don't know something like 4 or 5 lessons he asks me to bring my favourite children book. kindof weird but oke, next lesson he had me reading the story to him. really weird!!!! after that he makes his point a peace of music is well not a story but your telling it to your audiance. you make music of it give it your interpretation and so on. you make it a peace of music which is inspiring to people in stead of playing boring notes, the notes that you play are actually the least bit interesting. how fast how agile etc. is really unimportant it's all about your MUSICAL interpration and what feeling you put into the peace. that's what makes it good. now to get back to the magic/music Café. all the stuff about hands etc. sure it's a knack and your hands motorically speaking are trained and you can pratice a lot but too be able to tell a story and to sell it to an audiance is in both magic and music the most important thing. In music I am pretty good and perform a lot so the idear of selling an intepretation isn't knew to me and I think in that way it does help my magic (I only started 6 months ago) ohwell thanks a lot for reading just my idear on the subject. Pepijn |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
There is some connection, whatever it is. I was a professional studio musician before becoming a professional magician. I think it is much more than motor skill however. To me the greatest difference between musicians and non-musicians is that internal clock that keeps the beat.
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Samuel Special user Norway 831 Posts |
I'm not any good with any instrument, but my card-handling is ok
At the same time, I have a friend that is excellent at the piano, but crappy with cards
Samuel
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magiciangirl902 New user Charlottesville, VA 74 Posts |
Like I said before, I play guitar, and I will admit that it devolops a certain grip on your playing fingers and card fingers. But this grip only devoloped on my right hand, which is the hand I make the chords with, but hey, I'm not complaining!
Most magicians do magic tricks, I do magic
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