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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
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On 2004-05-04 00:06, daffydoug wrote: If you watch David Roth show you the basics, you will eat those words. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Right on, James. Not many people can do the basics as well as David Roth.
And as to the fundamentals... we use them whenever we do a coin trick. I have no expectation of getting beyond them. They work. That is why they are fundamental. It's nice to find new things, and the new things rely on the fundamentals to work.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
I had the opportunity to see roth lecture this past weekend. None of his famous stuff, only basics- shell coins across, champagne glass, wild coin, and great out with okito routine. Very smooth and what I expected but I was a little disappointed not having the chance to see the tuning fork or portable hole.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
There is a video of David Roth doing the prop based tricks; The funnel, The Planet, The Sleeve and the Rainbow. It SHOULD be very difficult for folks to forget the extent of his routine engineering. Even his sleights are works of precision engineering. What he knows that I don't know... lots of things!
Please do see him if you get the chance. Learn something. From how to move well while palming coins to how to set up a routine. Something for everyone.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
One thing David knows, that no one else does, is the work behind the scenes of Ricky Jay and his 52 Assistants...
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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andre combrinck Special user South Africa 953 Posts |
Expert Coin Magic Made Easy(vol 1-3),would be a great place to start,then delve into the book.
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Brad Jeffers Veteran user 376 Posts |
If you like, I will sell you the first six volumes of Roth's Expert Coin Magic Made Easy for $75 postpaid. These are the VHS tapes, not the DVD's. Roth is an excellent teacher. In general, I always suggest books over video but in this case I believe the video's are superior. I don't think there's any danger of you becoming a "Roth clone".
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Jeffrey Cowan Regular user Los Angeles, CA 130 Posts |
I've seen some (but by no means all) of the Roth tapes. If you have the 2 key books (Bobo's and Kaufman's Coin Magic), you need really only one tape to learn some of the timing aspects of key sleights that Roth uses. For my money, the best "bang for the buck" comes from Roth's original video published by Tannens. He teaches his shuttle pass (which I think is his finest technique), as well as his retention vanishes. He also teaches classic routines, more than enough to keep you busy AND slay lay audiences for years.
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Julie Inner circle 3943 Posts |
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On 2004-05-05 14:57, fizzban wrote: |
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cloneman Elite user 474 Posts |
Watch a video and become a clone? What a load of hooey! That kind of Luddite thinking insults the creativity of everyone on this forum who ever bought a DVD.
I’ve learned a lot from Roth, Rubinstein, Kam, and Dill videos and have combined elements from each into my own routines. Nor am I unique in this; most magicians I know use the routines taught on videos as a jumping-off point to create their own work. Furthermore, beyond the routines, DVD’s are great at teaching you the mechanics of a sleight – better in fact than a book because you pick up timing, speed, and kinesthetics as a unified whole. I tried learning the retention pass from the Roth/Kaufman book. Couldn’t get it. Once I studied Rubinstein and Roth’s video work, I picked it up pretty quickly. Some kinds of learning are enhanced by video In any case, even if you wanted to be a clone, you couldn’t. No matter how much you watch a DVD you will not perform a move just like Roth. Your hands are different, your innate sense of timing is different, etc. A magician has no choice but to make his work unique if it is going to look good. Two DVD-making coin masters, Kam and Rubinstein, are regular posters in this forum. I would love to hear what they have to say on the topic of whether or not their DVDs are creating clones. How about it, Curtis? Michael? Care to weigh in on this topic? By the way, before anyone points out the irony of "cloneman" writing a post about cloning other magician's routines, let me beat you to it. My user name comes, not from a tendency to clone other magician's acts, but from my former career as a science television journalist - one of my beats was genetic engineering.
"Anything is possible... if you don't know what you are talking about."
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kihei kid Inner circle Dog House 1039 Posts |
That's funny, I was going to say the exact same thing.
Sorry everyone, I couldn't resist.
In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.
You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed. Until we meet again “my old friend”. |
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