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magicianphiltay Regular user Birmingham / UK 118 Posts |
My friend Mick needs some recommendations and advise. He saw a great routine on Facebook and wants to become that mentalist, telling me his going to practice every move.
I've tried to explain to him its a bad idea to mimic others and to be yourself. One weeks his Lennart Green (accent and all) the next time I see him he thinks his Uri Geller dressing in dark cloths and speaking in some really strange way trying to bend anything he can (embarrassing really) I wouldn't mind if he was as good and could pull it off but his 40+ side of life now. His my friend and I love him but how do I persuade him to become himself. BTW he loves Mentalism
Magic is not the suspension of reality, but the expansion of possibility, inviting us to question the limits of what we believe to be true.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10585 Posts |
Absolutely first and foremost he needs to learn the distinction between magic and mentalism. Mentalism is based on a foundation that he needs to learn FIRST, his concerns about "moves" and "executions are null without this proper foundational understanding first. Otherwise, he will just be doing magic. If you truly are wanting to help him, start at the beginning with the right approach and understanding.
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Film him doing his performance. Then wait a week. Then show him the footage. See if he sees that he looks bad. If he recognises this, suggest he crafts his own unique persona.
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Dr Ross Loyal user Lincoln, UK 203 Posts |
Sounds like a case of 'mentalist mimicitis'. Show him this satirical video to cure -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWWgl6wxAfU (I especially like the "Do me a favour" line)
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2018, Mindpro wrote: Disagree because it's an arbitrary distinction that, as of this very moment, is being debated by people who have performed for years. I'd expect nothing less than this answer from you though, MP. Keep on keeping on! First, he needs to decide what he wants to do (his character, including what he can do). Then, based on his character, he can decide what types of effects he wants to do. Once he's decided on the effects, he can join into the (pointless) debates on whether it's magic, mental magic, or mentalism. |
IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Just sounds like a wind up to me...
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12938 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2018, magicianphiltay wrote: How old is he? Tell him to grow up. |
Mindpro Eternal Order 10585 Posts |
Good to see there's still so much good magician's thinking going on around here. The point I was making is that anyone truly interested in mentalism should first and foremost be directed to learn the foundational principles of mentalism. If anyone is really interested in helping someone interested in learning magic this is the starting point. Anything else is premature. If they aren't willing to do that, all they are interested in is mental effects and magic.
Perhaps if more around here had done this there would be a better understanding of mentalism and not see it as a debate or just something a few of us have in our crawl. How can he even begin to think about a character and other things without these foundational aspects in place and understood first? Plus this would prevent any mimicking of others. Sorry, I think this is both backwards thinking and putting the cart before the horse. |
Last Laugh Inner circle Grass Valley, California 3498 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2018, IAIN wrote: I think so too.
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2018, IAIN wrote: Sounds like BS to me. I don't think your friend is real. |
magicianphiltay Regular user Birmingham / UK 118 Posts |
He has now changed into Dani De Ortiz.
Magic is not the suspension of reality, but the expansion of possibility, inviting us to question the limits of what we believe to be true.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I approach this with some humility. As magicians or mentalists, we are all acting the part, some better than others. I would suggest that nothing helps one to improve and to see what works best, along with getting the foundations straight, than performing for strangers.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
We all begin by copying someone. It's a natural part of our growth process and our journey to become ourselves.
It's only when we find our own voice and craft our own unique persona that we become a professional. Let him copy for now. Eventually he'll grow out of it . . . or not.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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