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gmartins New user Portugal 88 Posts |
Hello all!
I would like to know your opinions on this: imagine this quick trick.Spectator chooses card, card is lost in the deck, you try to find it, you miss, you place that card on the spectator hand, you try again, but you get the card that's on the spectator hand, the spectator turns the card and is the choosen card.You all know this kind of tricks, where a transformation occurs on the spectator hands (or at least that's how it should look). Now, what I would like to know is how you handle this. How do you give the card to the spectator but avoid that he turns the card to soon and spoils the effect/surprise. How do you control him/direct him. I don't do this kind of tricks much, because I'm afraid the spectator ruins the effect. But the reactions are very good when I do them! The problem is that I'm not confortable with it, so I avoid doing it. Any thoughts on this subject? Thanks
Gonçalo Martins
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JimMaloney Inner circle 1184 Posts |
One of the simplest and most effective ways is to ask your volunteer a question. This will engage their intellect -- and when they have been engaged in something else, they can't focus on the card in their hand! By the time they've processed the question and given an answer, the effect is moving ahead and they have the choice to either check out the card in their hand (if they're even interested in it) or follow along with you to find out the ending of this effect. Assuming you've gotten them interested in the outcome of the effect, what choice do you think they'll make?
-Jim
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Mark Ennis Inner circle Raleigh, NC 1031 Posts |
You can have the spectator place his hand palm up and trap the card with his other hand. When he has trapped the card, place your index finger on top of the hand on top trapping the card.
If you are in a situation where you have a surface, have him place his index finger on back of the card and hold it there or have him cover the card with his hand.
ME
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dchung Special user Montreal 616 Posts |
What I used to do is tell him to concentrate on his card. Similarly to asking a question, this ensures his mind is too occupied to be bothered to turn the card over.
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Dr Mage Veteran user Southern California 332 Posts |
Yes, have the spectator use their other hand. I'd ask them to hold their other hand out (palm up) for the "next card". This way you could have the two cards, apparantly, changes places in his two hands.
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Brian Proctor Inner circle Somewhere 2323 Posts |
How could you apply this to a two card monte? I always tend to have people take the card pinched in between their finger tips and look before i am almost done with the trick. Could I just not be using enough misdirection?
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gmartins New user Portugal 88 Posts |
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On 2002-07-15 18:04, Brian wrote: What I do in 2 card monte is tell to the spectator to try to guess he think he has in his hand without looking at it.When he's thinking/answering, I do the change. If you present it properly, it's logical to ask them not to look at the card.
Gonçalo Martins
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
The previous comments by people pretty much have it covered, Mark's comments more closely match my own approach.
The only other thing is confidence in what you are doing and the ablity to "read" spectators, (which comes from experience). There are some people that would turn a card over no matter what you do, they may be in the minority but they exist. In performing other stuff, be aware of the people you are entertaining and select the person to assist you think is the most suitable. If you are only performing for one and you think you can't trust him/her to follow simple instructions, then do a different trick. Paul. |
Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
An extra thing to do is first show them the wrong card, turn it over, put it onto their hand as you call out what it was. It tends to take the heat off on the card because you called it out after you put it on their hand.
Greg
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Uli Weigel Inner circle Berlin, Germany 1478 Posts |
Another small but important detail: Make sure (casually of course) they hold the card with the thumb on top and finger(s) below the card. If they hold it with their fingers on top, only a quarter turn of the hand is needed to catch a glimpse of the card. With the thumb on top they have to turn the card almost completely around to see it.
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cardguy Inner circle Queens, New York 1171 Posts |
I always have them put their hand into a fist and I place the card between two fingers. This works because they would have to twist their whole arm to turn the card over, and they never do. Plus, I always make it look like I'm going to do something important next so they think they must watch me instead of the card in their hand. Misdirection (or direction) is a beautiful thing.
Also, as others said, I beleive confidence in what you are doing is the most important part. And that only comes with doing that kind of effect many times with different people. This is also true with other moves or techniques such as palming. Along the way you might get caught, but when you do get caught you will learn from the experience. Good luck!
Frank G. a.k.a. Cardguy
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Uli Weigel Inner circle Berlin, Germany 1478 Posts |
Cardguy is right: Confidence is the real secret. Nervousness and timidness are telegraphing that you are trying to hide something. It's the same psychology as with things like e.g. Doublefacers or any other gimmicked stuff that you place nonchalantly in front of a spectator. By the way, a very powerful routine to test your confidence can be found in "Ultimate Secrets of card magic" by Lewis Ganson. In Chapter 31 you'll find an impromptu card transposition by Frances Carlyle. In that trick you perform a double lift, hand the spectator the top card who puts it in his pocket.
In Mr. Carlyle's own words: "In my estimation the strong points of the presentation are the freedom with wich the spectator is allowed to pocket the card;..." |
KC Special user Utah 571 Posts |
One idea or technique that has yet to be mentioned is telling the spectator to hold out his/her hand "still like a table (so the card won't fall on the ground)" before you place a card into their hands. That way, it will make them less likely to rotate their wrists and arms to try and glimpse it.
It usually works for me when I do Dr. Daley's Last trick for people. Sometimes you get spectators that are just really skeptical and you just go to judge for yourself. But the message of holding your hand still like a table does help. |
phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
I use patter about prisons, and that they must firmly hold onto the card with both hands, creating a sandwich. That way they can't turn it over, and as said above, if you are a confident performer, they should have no reason to doubt you.
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