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Shoreline99
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Recently, I noticed, I think the pendulum is linked with subject's eye movements. The subject that pendulum is difficult to move can easily shake if you move your eyes sideways. Do you know what to call this phenomenon? According to my research, there was a similar description in McGill's The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism, but I would like to explain scientifically.

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Unless I'm missing something, McGill's "Ideomotor Method" is just a variation on the classic eye fixation ("swinging watch") induction.

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The similar description referred to The "Pendulum Over Spiral" Method in Chapter 25. Does not this have anything to do with eye movements?

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Ah, I see what you mean. He refers to "spiral fixation" in his final notes, so I think it's really still a variation on the eye fixation induction, but with added suggestion to make the pendulum move.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that you follow the pendulum with your eyes and they will start to respond?

A few things I find work well. First, if they are trying to control their arm so it can't move, it won't. You want them to relax the muscles in their arm while holding the pendulum.
Second, they need to understand the if it's not responding the onus is on them. They are the one making the contact.
Third, Have them, either out loud or in their minds, ask the crystal or pendulum bob to spin.

Check out Stuart Palm's Beginner Pendulum Magic.

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I just ask them to look at the bob and then imagine it moving in a direction to indicate YES. Then it does...
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On Jan 17, 2019, mindmagic wrote:
Ah, I see what you mean. He refers to "spiral fixation" in his final notes, so I think it's really still a variation on the eye fixation induction, but with added suggestion to make the pendulum move.

What do you mean "his final notes?" It means an afterword?
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On Jan 17, 2019, Matt Pulsar wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that you follow the pendulum with your eyes and they will start to respond?

A few things I find work well. First, if they are trying to control their arm so it can't move, it won't. You want them to relax the muscles in their arm while holding the pendulum.
Second, they need to understand the if it's not responding the onus is on them. They are the one making the contact.
Third, Have them, either out loud or in their minds, ask the crystal or pendulum bob to spin.

Check out Stuart Palm's Beginner Pendulum Magic.

I love pendulums!

That's right. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough. Well, this is just my hypothesis though.
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I have had blind people use a pendulum effectively, and prompts like musicals notes and finger directions.

Yes, I think that eye movements can be used to influence the behavior of a pendulum, but hardly that they are necessary or predictable or best choice.
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I have had blind people use a pendulum effectively, and prompts like musicals notes and finger directions.

Yes, I think that eye movements can be used to influence the behavior of a pendulum, but hardly that they are necessary or predictable or best choice.

I appreciate you doing it.
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On Jan 17, 2019, mindmagic wrote:
Ah, I see what you mean. He refers to "spiral fixation" in his final notes, so I think it's really still a variation on the eye fixation induction, but with added suggestion to make the pendulum move.

What do you mean "his final notes?" It means an afterword?


The first paragraph of the "Note to Hypnotist" at the end of the piece, p.144.
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Wouldn't any subliminal influence help to create the ideomotor response desired?
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Probably...... it should.
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Interesting thoughts on eye movement
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