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Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1369 Posts 
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If I have a prediction in a sealed envelope, I sometimes give the spectator the choice at the end:
to open or keep the envelope closed and therefore never to know whether the prediction has come true or not, so that it will remain a mystery forever. This method is not mine, but I once read it somewhere. Is there anyone who knows who first published or used this (Phil Goldstein?) ? |
lancenicolai58 New user 36 Posts
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I do not know who first published it, but Peter Turner uses it in his second penguin lecture.
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts
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I think this idea essentially came from a Derren Brown TV special. Except he just gets up from the table and leaves. If someone can cite an antecedent to that, I’ll stand corrected.
Ben Blau
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts
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I've seen a very brief video snippet of Max Maven doing something very similar. Envelope on stage with a question mark, apparently been there the whole performance. He says something like, "In that envelope is a prediction. If that prediction is right, I wouldn't have to do anything, I could just let you open it. In fact - I wouldn't even need to be here." Then he just walks off stage.
I have no idea what show it's from but I think about that a lot.
Christopher
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Ben Blau Inner circle 1475 Posts
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On Jan 6, 2020, WitchDocChris wrote: Excellent. That does sound vaguely familiar, now that you mention it. I saw Max’s full length show a long, long time ago. Thank you!
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Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1369 Posts
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As a mentioned in my original post, I thought I read or saw it from Phil Goldstein (Max Maven).
I asked the same question at another forum and there they came up with a TED talk from 2007. That could well be the source. https://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_the......t-348180 |
Max Maven V.I.P. 266 Posts
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2007 is a late entry.
My piece was established in the original version of my theater show, “ThinkingIn Person,” in 1988. |
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weirdwizardx Veteran user 389 Posts
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Waterloophai that TedTalk is wondrous!!! Astonishing talk!
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Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1369 Posts
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On Jan 6, 2020, Max Maven wrote: Hi Mr. Goldstein, Thank you very much for the clarification. What I originally thought turns out to be correct. (see the first post in this thread) |
mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts
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It's Jon Allen's "Schrodinger's Card".
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asherfox Veteran user 367 Posts
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On Jan 8, 2020, mindmagic wrote: haha. this is also the first time I seeing this idea. Vanishing.inc gave away this routine as a free preview of Allen's remarkable book, Experience: The Magic of Jon Allen. |
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mindmagic Inner circle London 1740 Posts
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On Jan 8, 2020, asherfox wrote: Yes, that's where you'll find it written up. Excellent book. |
Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts
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Hi Guys,
My premise for 'Schrodinger's Card' came after seeing J.J. Abrams' TED Talk and was, indeed, published in my book. I've found that the majority of people who signed the card choose to not open it, while the majority of other people want it opened.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18028 Posts
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Does Anyone not open it right then????
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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