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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
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On Jun 4, 2020, no2ss wrote: I think what many are saying is there are only 3 recognize shuffles by laymen. Riffle, regular overhand and hindu. This is very pretty but flashy. Best Steve
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NeilS Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On Jun 4, 2020, Futureal wrote: If it doesn't look like a false shuffle, then that is a real plus! |
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
After watching the demo my initial response is that it is flashy and will draw attention to itself. That is not a good thing because by just watching the demo (first viewing) I could see that the cards were not changing their order. I don't think it is because I am a magician that I could see they weren't changing their order, it is just obvious. I know people are saying to do this on the offbeat or while looking them in the eyes. However because this is so unique looking people are going to want to watch it. I think as a flourish it is pretty, but I don't think this should be advertised as a false shuffle.
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NeilS Inner circle 3225 Posts |
If performed as in the demo, I agree it looks flashy. However, it can be performed without the flashiness and smooth flow which makes it look a more chaotic mixing. Having said that, it does require practice.
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no2ss Inner circle California 1027 Posts |
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On Jun 4, 2020, NeilS wrote: It's looking like it's just going to be me, Neil, and a bunch of magicians in Japan using this. I do find it amusing that people keep saying "it's too flashy" and yet three people who have it keep saying "it does not need to be flashy." And then, immediately someone else pops up and says "too flashy." Ah well... |
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Ben Daggers Loyal user Osaka 238 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2020, no2ss wrote: It's not JUST the three of you. There is one very well-known magician (whose name I can't divulge) who just bought it, so it may well become something more familiar to magicians in the future... I'm happy to hear that those of you who have purchased it are getting something out of the download, if anyone else has any questions about it please let me know! |
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
Eh- $6.95 for something that looks fun as heck to play around with while watching tv with the wife? I'm in.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
It’s harder than it looks
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no2ss Inner circle California 1027 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2020, Xcath1 wrote: I dunno. Looked pretty hard to me from the get go. Anyway, a tip for those practicing it: try it with 1/3 or half a deck first. I'm getting the hang of it that way. The full deck keeps getting in the way, but I think once I get the half deck down it'll be easier to go up. |
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2020, no2ss wrote: I can understand why some performers would only want to do a normal looking shuffle, and I can see why some would want to do something that looked flashy. But doing an unusual shuffle that DOESN'T have any flashy/flourishy value seems like the worst of both worlds. |
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no2ss Inner circle California 1027 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2020, Joe Roberts wrote: I think the value is pretty clear: when done right, it very much looks like you're mixing/shuffling up the cards. And, unlike most false shuffles, this one allows you to do a variety of pretty cool things: including card controls, productions, forces, peeks and more. Honestly, once I get this down, I feel like it can improve almost every card effect I do. |
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Jair New user 30 Posts |
I don't understand your logic here.
Why would I need a false shuffle to do all the things you just listed? I need an innocent looking false shuffle if I need to shuffle the deck...false... All the other things I can do in a million other ways. I only need a false shuffle for... again... false shuffles. This doesn't look unsuspicious. This looks strange. Spectators shouldn't congratulate you on your interesting shuffle technique. Especially if you're false shuffling. Good thing though that I will immediately know which "famous magician" bought this product the second he starts shuffling the deck in this strange way... |
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2020, no2ss wrote: I could understand that if it looked more deceptive than a normal false shuffle, but I think it's actually easier to tell the cards aren't mixing. It seems like a mistake to do something that is less effective and potentially draws attention to itself. But if you feel the trade-offs are worth it, then that's all that really matters. |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
The tutorial is actually in the demo. Not something I will use. Just my opinion.
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
My own opinion is that any sleight by definition should not arouse suspicion. Therefore I think they should be concealed within normal-looking moves rather than fancy ones.
Obviously this does not look like a normal shuffle. ALSO - it reveals the faces of the cards! This is precisely what shuffling is designed NOT to do. So, even if you are a flashy card handler, this will never look fair. Furthermore, spectators do not need to stare at your hands to notice this - it only requires a casual glance! Here is a my suggestion - Rather than debate round in circles here on the forum, I would love for someone to use it for a while and report back on what spectator reactions they get... |
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Ben Daggers Loyal user Osaka 238 Posts |
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On Jul 24, 2020, Nikodemus wrote: I have personally seen Takeshi perform this in his close-up shows, and it works perfectly for him (his character is a flash cardman). It may not fool some magicians, but it definitely fools laymen (it even passes the notoriously difficult girlfriend-of-a-magician test). As to your point about avoiding fancy movements when doing sleights, I happen to also share your philosophy, but there are undoubtedly lots of flashy sleights which work perfectly for some performers. Think of some of the more acrobatic double lifts, fan steals, false cuts etc. It's therefore a question of personal style, so if it isn't for you then no worries! |
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On Jun 5, 2020, Jair wrote: It's not about "need", it's about what feels good or looks good or is enjoyable for the performer. Most people have not seen more than one type of shuffle such as the first time I saw Bill Malone. His false shuffles seemed fancy to me before I knew they were false shuffles and only enhanced the wonder of his performance.
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