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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
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On Aug 6, 2020, Stephon Johnson wrote: Yes, but does not Social Distancing eliminate or minimize that "choice?" Many will not want to be touched or even close. Other may look upon the touching another's hand with distracted thoughts and loss of attention. It is intriguing to think of ways of replacing the "in their hand" advantage with other approaches.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Al Desmond Inner circle Secret Mountain Lair in Conifer, Co 1511 Posts |
Off and on for 40 years, I've tried to master different coins across.
Never happened. Until I got a "Shell Shocked" set from Mason. These are Mason's deep rim sets. But the best part of the deal, in my opinion, was Mason's routine on the included DVD. For me, this was my answer, the handling came easy for me and it's rather clean, can be done standing up, you could use their hand for a table and the last coin crosses to their own hand. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
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On Aug 8, 2020, Al Desmond wrote: and therein lies the problem. For most of us (guess) our favorite routine is now eliminated form consideration. No spectator hand eliminates both the "in their hand" mystique/excitement, and the "not in my hands' verification and trust. The "no table" eliminates count verification and several sleights including Steal and Ditch misdirection. Methinks some sort of "table" in going to have to creep back into our thinking. I adapted a walker with top and pouches I will reactivate. When seated on a high stool and left leg on ring, I can place a "Couch Caddy" on my thigh that provides a small table and pouches. Eventually, with lessened restrictions, a spectator(s) may be willing to hold a large tray, close but still no touching. It is a challenge to consider such modifications, but only in sadness.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Kanawati Veteran user Australia 301 Posts |
I'm not trying to downplay the impact on the spectator when the magic happens in their hands and/or if they can generally handle the coins...and I agree with all the comments.
But there is so much great magic with coins where we don't bother having the coins inspected...just like other props we might use in close up or platform for that matter. In fact, and I've got no evidence, no research, no examples I can point to, but I wonder whether some magicians (present company excepted:)) might feel more compelled to have coins examined when they are ringing in a gaff..and less likely to have the coins examined when no gaff is in play? I genuinely don't have a single person in mind with that statement, not even myself:) I look at Marion's great coin magic, I look at Will Houstoun's 2 coins across routine recently discussed, I look at Michael Rubinstein and Giacomo Bertini's performances on Penn & Teller...I don't see the coins being handed out. So I think routines that traditionally used a spectator's hands don't need to be put aside, they just need to be modified. A coins across (not ending in a spectator's hand can still be just as magical as any other coin routine. Again, I'm by no means downplaying how powerful it can be for the spectator to experience the magic in their hands but with the right presentation I've seen plenty of coin magic where the inability to touch the coins didn't diminish the magic. John |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
Good thoughts, John. Presentation can certainly include the establishment of trust, and the entire concept of trust may change with Social Distancing experience. That is, in return for acceptance by an observer that they cannot supply or tough the coins, they may accord a higher level of trust to random coins on a tray. I have never had anyone ask to examine anything or have offered any item "for examination." But, having spectators naturally handle coins has been part of my presentation approach for decades, so I must make adjustments. I have other ways to establish this essential trust, but can't offer those as suggestions for others (who I am perceived to be).
Others may not have to change anything (such as Mb) as their presentation style or choice of effects is different. Whether or not the "magic is diminished" is relative to the expectations of the audience and what they perceive to be magic (or can be taught to expect/perceive). Since I am of the old school "must be magic" resolution/acceptance objective, I will have a more difficult time adjusting. One problem is that I know/remember events in which this occurred and therefore will be somewhat disappointed in not being able to orchestrate such events in the future. In similar vein, I may never perform Helstromism again since I can't find any group willing to meet my requirements of focused attention. Being of helpful and creative bent, I am working on modifying some effects to function adequately under these new restraints. Some I will never perform myself but may help others in the transition. In the process I have created a couple of new sleights, so it is not all bad In short, it is a personal thing, and if I cannot create the conditions under which magic can happen at the level I desire I may not perform any more - or shift to doing shows in which "must be magic" is not the objective. I have lots of gaudy props stored away for kids shows or performing in an Assisted living center, etc. Fun and entertaining - magic, not so much. However, the concept of having the number of coins in play known, accepted or verified is still essential to creating astonishment. If spectator handling is eliminated, then extra steps may be required to accomplish this. A table or tray on which coins might be displayed or dropped can help. For me, it is the combination of "no touch" and "no table" that can be fatal. Another view is that "only in my hands" is cause for immediate and continuing suspicion. If I can't have spectators involved directly as surrogate containers, then I must get coins out of my hands somehow to support naturalness or count verification. For an audience to see three coins bouncing noisily on metal tray with both hands shown empty may serve as well as having a spectator hand me three coins. Of course, my effects ending with a "vanish to empty" in a spectator's hand may be gone forever. Little loss, perhaps, since may magicians don't believe it is possible anyway
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Kanawati Veteran user Australia 301 Posts |
I know the homing coin ploy is not new and there must be many versions out there. But here’s some basic handling I came up with that is heavily influenced by Fed Kaps’ amazing homing card performance. I’m actually using a [ and 3 coins and a washer. I thought 4 coins and a washer made for too long and repetitive a routine. 3 phases seemed enough. You could also break the repetitiveness up a bit and add some surprise by making the washer appear in the left rather than the right hand in the second phase but I just wanted to show a basic outline. As far as routines go...this feels almost self working to me...very procedural. It’s almost like a mathematical card trick...I only need to remember to do all the moves in the right order! The only bit of SOH is in the last phase. Again, not something I’ve ever performed but just going through the process of thinking about stand up coin routines that don’t need a table or spectator’s hand and use a [ and 3 or 4 coins. This exercise really has got me appreciating the [ that I’ve neglected for so long. But like the other idea I shared earlier it’s not a coins across:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4dzu26_1Nfk John |
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simplymagicweb Inner circle Norfolk, UK 1410 Posts |
Thanks John - not quite the same but this is an ungimmicked wild coin/coins across stand up variation
https://youtu.be/eQ6A58Ae14A
Magically,
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stevie c Veteran user 329 Posts |
Great work John and Sean!! Some great ideas here
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
From the posts and shared videos I guess the use of a table/tray is OK even if touching is not.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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