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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I want to force five cards from the deck all together as a bunch of cards. Anything in print? Thanks
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts |
Does the deck have to be regular ?
If not, you could make up a deck of the five cards repeated throughout. False shuffle, spread, and have the spectator remove any bunch of five cards together. Or they could be handed to the spectator after the shuffle, and they could cut anywhere, removing the top five cards. If a regular deck is used, something as simple as the cross cut force could work. If the cards don't need to be together in a bunch, you could have the force cards on the bottom, and spread the cards for five to be touched and outjogged - the cards being switched. I can't remember the name of the particular switch I have in mind, PM me if you require more detail. Jim |
Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
I do something where I have several spectators each touch the back of a card and outjog them as they are selected and then when I am done, the cards are stripped out and turned over, revealing the force cards or a royal flush, etc. It works as a great multiple card force.
I think this is the same procedure Jim Ferguson is speaking of. The move is Dai Vernon's Strip Out Addition. I use a variation of it found in 'The Complete Works of Derek Dingle'.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2983 Posts |
The Vernon move is a good choice to force from a normal deck. I prefer Dingle's "NoLap Switch" though.
For deceptiveness, you could stack a deck with groups of the five needed cards set for a Gilbreath Principle shuffle. If the cards were QS, 9D, 5H, 3C, JH you'd stack five such groups from the top down. The bottom 25 cards would be the same group of five in reverse order one after another. So the top and bottom card would be QH. Second from top and second from bottom, 9D etc. If you break at the center between the two JH, the spectator can riffle shuffle once. This makes every group of 5 consecutive cards contain one of each of the force cards in a random order. Of course this requires a very special deck set up as described above. But the feeling of randomness is very high. Mike
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2983 Posts |
After the shuffle, you'd have the spectator deal, say, three or four piles of five cards i.e. "Deal five cards here. Now deal another group of five here..." Each of these groups of five will have one each of the force cards. The spec can then pick any pile. Seems very random. They shuffle. They deal. They pick the pile.
Mike
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Jim Ferguson the cross cut is very good idea. I need a more natural way though. Something like the classic one card force with
five cards? Is there a method? I want to do it impromptu with a CHaSeD order of the five cards . Tortuga the Vernon addition is a good way but if I remember correctly the Vernon move adds cards to the already selected, not switching the packets. Mike Powers I have to use a normal deck , but I just searched about the Gilbreath principle and it is very interesting. Thanks a lot guys for your nice ideas ☺️ |
Ed Oschmann Inner circle Lake Worth FL 1011 Posts |
I’ve always thought the Ed Balducci (cur deeper) force was better suited for a group of cards than just a single.
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts |
Hi Vogler.
The Switch I had in mind isn't quite what Tortuga mentioned. In the one I'm thinking of, the touched cards are outjogged, then angled to the left. They are stripped out with the left hand, being added to the five force cards from the bottom - but a break is held between the packets. The remainder of the deck is brought forward immediately after the cards are stripped, and tabled. In the forward motion, the original cards above the break are stolen onto the bottom of the deck. You are left with only the five switched in cards. I can't remember the name of the thing, or where I read it though. I'll have a look through some books that I think may have it, and get back to you. Jim |
Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Maybe the Dingle’s noLap switch? I just found an excellent video of Mike Powers teaching it here in the Café!
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On Aug 6, 2020, jim ferguson wrote: Sankey does this one all the time. My memory isn't great on who he credits -- I believe it's Vernon, but the context for the way I learned the Vernon sequence is far different.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Aug 6, 2020, jim ferguson wrote: That's exactly what I do. I didn't detail too much because I didn't think it was appropriate to tip it. It is the Dingle version.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts |
Despite looking through several books now, I am still unable to locate it - I definitely have it it a book though.
From the comments here, it would appear to be Dingles No Lap Switch. Would this work for your routine Vogler ? Jim |
Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Yes it works . Thank you all for your excellent knowledge.
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stickmondoo Veteran user 306 Posts |
Hamman Flip-Flop Force from Trost Subtle 1. Larry Becker Stunners Plus Slop-si Turvy.
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