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csh4724 New user 3 Posts |
Its kinda interesting cuz
somebody saids "never do a hindu shuffle, nobody shuffles the deck like that!" but more interesting thig is, In Korea, which is my country exactly oppsite "never do a overhand shuffle, only magicians shuffle like that way." and yes it is true nobody overhand shuffles in here have you guys felt anything like this? |
The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
Yeah. I actually performed in Korea for a long time and if you cared about those details, you had to be mindful of that. Even the standard Hindu Shuffle isn't quite what regular folks use there, which involves a grip deeper into the knuckles and with lots of slapping.
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts |
Where I live nobody uses an overhand shuffle, anyone using one would be suspected of some form of manipulation. The most common shuffle is the rifle shuffle. The Hindu shuffle is only common among those with a Central/South American background.
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Michael L New user 45 Posts |
The idea is to shuffle the way people around you shuffle, but more often than not the advice comes from people in North America and Europe so there's a cultural bias.
But even in North America, different scenarios call for different shuffles. A shuffle that makes sense when standing in the streets or on the stage would get you kicked out of a casino and so wouldn't be appropriate for a gambling demonstration. Understand what makes sense in a given situation, and shuffle accordingly. |
The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On Nov 6, 2020, Michael L wrote: It might be worthwhile to expand on this a little bit. Nobody does a wash shuffle outside of casino games, but if you had a spectator do a wash shuffle at a magic show it'd almost certainly pass muster better than a regular shuffle. Also, with regard to the Hindu Shuffle, it may not match what's done in North America, but it'll frequently fly even without proofs. The key thing is the aim. If it helps your illusion to have the shuffle match what's normally being done around you, then you do that shuffle. If it helps your illusion to have the shuffle being done differently to what's normally being done around you, then you do THAT shuffle. Understanding which scenario applies to your situation is a big part of understanding the art of magic in general.
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MC Mirak Regular user 190 Posts |
I couldn’t imagine a better segue into an effect like Chad Long’s Shuffling Lesson than introducing the idea that people from around the world shuffle different ways. The motivation to show different ways to mix the cards is inherent to the entire approach. The natural conclusion, that tot call control cards even other people mix, again naturally leads into something like ootw, among others
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Jonmaddgician New user Perth, Western Australia 72 Posts |
Growing up in Singapore, I've only ever known the Hindu shuffle. I think that the Hindu is used mostly in Asian regions perhaps, which is how the shuffle got it's name, because of a Western (Australian) magician naming it after Indians and Pakistanis shuffling so. The riffle shuffle was always the "show off" shuffle.
The overhand shuffle I really only came across when I started learning magic, & watching most Western performers use. I suppose that's why it initially looked to me as "suspicious", even though essentially it's the same shuffle, just with the cards going in a different orientation. In practical application, either I like to hand over the deck to be shuffled by the spectator to observe which is the "normal" shuffle to use, or I demonstrate the different ways of shuffling, sometimes just multiple cuts. In most cases, I go back to the riffle as the "fairest" way of shuffling, bringing focus to the way the cards interweave with each other (but of course never ever bringing to attention how much easier it actually is to keep a top or bottom stack... =P) |
Haruspex New user 62 Posts |
Both in Asia and Europe Hindu style shuffles are common among casual card players. although they prefer to hold the deck more from below, stripping-off packets, instead of the more biddle styled grip, magicians use when doing a Hindu shuffle.
Actually in Europe it's uncommon to see someone do an in-the-hands riffle-shuffle. And if they do an in-the-hands riffle-shuffle, it almost never includes a cascade, they simply push the cards together. Often they will start in-the-hands but then riffle down to a surface like the table, or their leg. Also in holding cards there is allot of difference, in Europe bridge-sized decks are most common. And almost always these decks are indexed in the 4 corners. If performing for card players with a poker-sized deck indexed in the left upper and right bottom corners (the standard American way), many right handed players will complain that the indexes are not visible. This is because they are used to making the spread by putting the cards in their right hand 1 at a time from right to left, thus exposing only the right upper corner. Concerning the type of shuffle you "should" use: I think it does not matter as long as the shuffle looks fair and efficient ( by which I mean "not contrived"). Even in the same culture/area, 10 different people will still handle the deck differently. |
Nikodemus Inner circle 1139 Posts |
Most people I know (in UK) when playing a card game like Whist etc play their cards with a really casual toss onto the table. In other cultures they throw every card down with a slap. If you did that here, people would think you were losing your temper. But when a friend of mine was in the USSR years ago, the Russians thought he was not getting into the spirit of the game because of the casual way he played his cards - they were offended he did NOT slap them down.
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