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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts 
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In Ortiz's routine called the Ultimate Interchange, p. 153 in At The Card Table, he states "execute a necktie second deal." I get it that it refers to a second deal, but what the heck is a "necktie second deal"? From what I have read in the Café, I think that to necktie a deck is to raise the deck up close to one's chest, with the deck turned so that the top card is hidden from view. Is the necktie second deal simply second dealing from that position?
Explanations and possible resources would be welcome. Thanks for your input.
So many sleights...so little time.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts
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Yes, nothing more to say about it really. You just tip the pack towards yourself, rendering the deal invisible. Don't tip too much so that they can see the card if it is one you wish to remain unknown.
Many people use a Strike Second Deal when they necktie the deck, but it will cover any sort of second.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts
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Thanks Tortuga. Need not say more.
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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"I think that to necktie a deck is to raise the deck up close to one's chest, "
Not quite. It needn't go near that high. Like Tortuga said, just tilt it back slightly out of view |
Adam1975 Special user UK 900 Posts
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As above,you don't tilt the deck up to the point it looks unnatural or silly...its just a slight raise upwards of the deck
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts
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OK, thanks. I just thought it meant to bring the deck near where your necktie might be. I like the alternative better.
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Yehuda Elite user 413 Posts
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It shouldn’t go anywhere close to your necktie. The name comes from the position of the hand, which is tilted upward slightly (as everyone has said) as though it were adjusting the knot of your tie.
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mightytimbo New user Franklin Park, NJ 49 Posts
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Isn't this always recommended for a strike? A slight upward motion when the hands come together to cover the action? Is this typically referred to as a necktie second-strike? This is just how I was taught.
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ssibal Veteran user 352 Posts
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The purpose of a necktie is to hide a poorly executed second deal. If you can do a proper strike or push off, you will not need to resort to a necktie technique.
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magicfish Inner circle 7016 Posts
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On Mar 30, 2021, ssibal wrote: Not necessarily. It has several uses and is sometimes used to hide face up cards. |
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts
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On Mar 30, 2021, ssibal wrote: Well then, for now, a necktie second deal it is. Thanks for the perspective.
So many sleights...so little time.
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drumdemon420 Veteran user 396 Posts
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On Mar 30, 2021, ssibal wrote: Even some of the greats recommend a very subtle necktie at the right moment for shade. Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about bringing the deck up vertical but a tilt just enough to aim the edge of the deck at the spectators eyes is powerful. The top only goes out of sight for a split second. No pun intended but I'll take it. |
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AceOfShades New user 35 Posts
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A subtle motion is okay, especially if you always do that when dealing. But do keep it natural looking and don't do the thing where you hold your hand completely steady but then tilt the deck like 45 degrees when you start dealing seconds. The first thing I notice when I see bad second deals is an unnatural necktie motion, so it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that I'm trying not to pick up when learning. I've seen (well, technically not seen) great seconds with hands held steady as a rock.
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