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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
I'm currently working on Sankey's "Mr Clean Coins Across" (very similar to Greg Wilson's 3/4 Across). I'm nearly there, but cannot stop flashing as the coin goes into the Goshman Pinch and I turn my hand over to show it "empty".
Does anyone else have this problem, and how do you overcome it? In their demos, neither Sankey nor Wilson mention it being very angly, but that's how I'm finding it. |
Justin Hart Loyal user Warsaw, VA 221 Posts |
Don't hold your hand parallel with the floor but rather at a 45-80 degree angle. Keep that tilt when opening and closing the hand also. Get in front of a mirror too. If that's vague, let me know if I need to PM you.
Also, Sankey refers to this over and over as the Goshman Pinch, but I believe Tenkai to be the inventor BEFORE Goshman...it's really the Tenkai Pinch. I would like clarification on my above statement because it's something I remember reading or finding but don't know where and don't want to give the wrong ideas. |
mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
Bend the closed fists inwards from the wrist, this will help from flashing. Also, a little misdirection never hurts, look them in the eye as you are doing the move...simple...but very, very effective.
Mike |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Mike: One message for each eye...?
Seriously... you will find that a sleight that you practice/learn CHANGES totally when you have people watching you. So, what you need to do is work work work and develop the timing, the moment. You need to learn how to get their attention, hold it, relax them, then go in for the kill.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts |
See, Pete understands.
Mike |
Justin Hart Loyal user Warsaw, VA 221 Posts |
Haha, now am I right by saying it's a Tenkai Pinch? Thanks guys.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I was asked not to tip... but... the Tenkai Pinch is what many refer, nowadays, to as the Goshman Pinch.
They are decidedly different. The Tenkai Pinch is like a half back palm with a coin. To do the Goshman Pinch, let's say in a grocery store waiting in the check out line. Move up close behind an Italian woman. When nobody is looking, you drop something for misdirection (Goshman used a bag of bagels) and when you bend over to pick it up, you pinch her derriere (I don't know the Italian word) and as you straigten up, say nothing... she will, more often than not, give you a nice smile.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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siborgotron New user 29 Posts |
Hahaha....argh my stitches!
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Musashi Regular user Oregon 132 Posts |
Ross...
On Sankey's Revolutionary coin magic he does talk about the pinch being angly and talks about rotating your wrist watching carefully not to expose the coin. If you stand in front of a mirror and experiment with the angle of your hand as it turns you will figure out how to hold your hand properly. Then practice will make it feel comfortable. I do Sankey's Mr. Clean all the time, but I find that I usually only do it up very close with spectators looking directly down on my hands. Josh P.S. Pete, I think she was a Romanian woman now that I think about it, but boy did I get slapped!
"Care for a Jelly Baby?"
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Hardi New user Switzerland 96 Posts |
Hi Ross
It must have to do something with practicing and quickness. With the right hand I do the pinch flawless, with the left hand I deceive nobody. It is crucial how to get in the move and how to come out, as it is with all sleights. Try to practice "Tenkai Pennies" found in Bobo's The New Modern COIN MAGIC. Practice, practice, practice, practice. Thanks Pete for the clarification of the different types of the pinch. To Justin Hart: I remember the possible source you are missing. Sol Stone tells us on his DVD "Sol Stone´s Quick & Casual Close-up" by Meir Yedid in "Explanation of the Tenkai Quarters", he learned the pinch from Tenkai. Sol claims that he has shown the "Tenkai pennies" to Albert Goshman. When Bobo saw Albert Goshman do it, he explains, Bobo called it Goshman pinch. And that was how the misname occurred. |
Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
Thanks for all these posts. I love that I can come here and get tips from old hands like Pete Biro and Mike Gallo!
I am learning it (Mr Clean) from The Best Of Jay Sankey and he does it before a sizeable L&L audience, and appears to suffer no angle problems...bah! I accept that practice is the key. I´m not really much of a coin man, so perhaps it´s taking me a little longer. Regarding the name, Sankey on the DVD refers to the Tenkai pinch as being the same result (a coin back-clipped between the ring and little fingers) with a different process. Briefly, with the Tenkai move, the coin starts at the tips of the palm-up hand, and a sort of scissor-move with the ring and little fingers puts it in the back-clip; with the Goshman move, the coin in pushed over the back of the clenched fingers into the same position, allowing the formation of a fist to be the cover for the move. |
vernal New user 59 Posts |
When Bobo talks about moving from pinch to palm, he says, "No misdirection is actually required if the sleight is under complete mastery." When I try it my fingers are popping up and down and to me it looks obvious I'm "doing something". Am I doing it wrong? Can anybody do this transfer?
"Finger-flinging has about as much relation to magic as a Jazz Band has to Music." - J.B. Bobo. (I don't agree with the jazz comparison, but I still think the quote is funny.)
"Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted." - John Lennon |
mattisdx Inner circle 1614 Posts |
Try to keep your hands and fingers as loose and relaxed/natural as possible. Look at how you normally hold your hands, than make that fit for the goshman pinch.
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vernal New user 59 Posts |
It's the transfer that is the problem. I can't B*** palm and I need to work something out. The pinch isn't the problem. I can't figure out a natural action that will cover the transfer other than hiding my hand, and Bobo says it can be done on the turnover in the open. I was just looking to see if anybody can actually do this to see if I should spend more time on it, or work out something with the clips.
"Finger-flinging has about as much relation to magic as a Jazz Band has to Music." - J.B. Bobo. (I don't agree with the jazz comparison, but I still think the quote is funny.)
"Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted." - John Lennon |
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