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GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
Hello All. Those of you with experience with different CSB sets, is there a set or maker whose Brass [ has more weight/heft than those in other CSB sets?
I own a CSB set that's pretty well made, but the Chinese [ (substitutes for Brass in this set) is quite lightweight, and doesn't lend itself to reliably performing one of the convincer moves in Paul Vigil's CSB routine. |
karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
I own only a Johnson CSB set, but I can tell you that its brass Chinese shell is quite hefty and stout indeed — a real heavyweight. Nothing flimsy or lightweight about it, at all.
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
I own ummm... "too many" CSB sets and I've never given much thought to the weight of the Chinese shell (or equivalent), but I find it odd that it would be an issue given the coins sold with Vigil's CBS are from Roy Kueppers and his Chinese coins are among the lightest I have.
I'll see if I can find time to review the routine to find the move you're talking about |
GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
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On Mar 10, 2023, inigmntoya wrote: Since you own several CSB sets, which Chinese [ has the most heft? The move is Morris' False Toss. Vigil's CBS routine involves false tossing two coins at once. |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
A sampling of several I have here weighed between 5-7 grams for the Chinese shell. The one that came with my CSB (made by Kueppers) is 6g (give or take the accuracy of my scale). For fun I also weighed a Lassen dollar size Miracle Enjoyment coin. The coin itself is a hefty 25g, but the CSB shell - again, dollar size - was somewhat surprisingly only 8g.
I haven't practiced the Morris move much myself, but I read the write-up in the PDF that came with CBS and played around a bit. I think it's more an issue of technique - how much separation between your hands, your exact turnover motion, the speed of the motion, etc. or even a knack - figuring out how to make it work for you, more than the weight of the shell. Then you also have to factor in the insert part of the gimmick and any effects its movement has, as you're turning over both at once. |
GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
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On Mar 11, 2023, inigmntoya wrote: I have practiced Morris’ False Toss quite a bit (originally learned the move from Dr. Rubinstein’s video). In my hands, a one-coin Morris move is reliably done nearly 100% of the time; this with either one gimmicked coin or one [ . Two coins (one being a [ ) is another matter. 50% reliability, with the unreliability being the failure of the [ turnover. If you spend some time with the move, both single gimmicked coin, and coin plus [ , then I’d be interested in your outcomes. |
emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Tango dollar size has excellent weight
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BAGWIZ Loyal user San Francisco Bay Area 234 Posts |
I have a CSB set from Mark Mason and while I’m not terribly impressed with the quality of the gimmick (it has some rough edges), I nevertheless admit the look of the gimmick when it’s supposed to represent the half dollar, is excellent. I bought the Vigil version thinking it’s set would be a good back-up and I am terribly disappointed with the workmanship of the gimmick when it is supposed to represent a half dollar. It looks too thick and the edging doesn’t match that of the real half. It’s unusable in my opinion. Granted your hands are moving during the routine and spectators typically don’t know what to expect or look for, but to me the Vigil set just screams “fake coin” no matter what. I’d expected a set made by RK would be a higher quality, but I blew it in this one. Should have just purchased Vigil’s instructional download and passed on the junk coins.
As for the Morris false toss, I agree it is a knack move. I’m not fond of moves that have a decent probability of going wrong and for me there’s about a 10% chance it will. So I don’t use that move in performance, at least not now. There are too many variables to account for and if anything goes wrong there’s literally no way to recover. |
GJo Loyal user 275 Posts |
I've been revisiting Paul Vigil's CBS routine in which he utilizes the Morris False Toss, and after some handling adjustment, the prover sleight is working successfully most of the time. It gives me enough confidence to include it in the routine.
I think it shows that sometimes it's best to step away for a while (in this case it was a LONG while), and when you return it can be with a fresh perspective. For those interested, I simply increased the distance between my hands with the coins dropping about four inches. The coins are overlapped a bit (that's been a significant change toward success). Hope that helps. |
SebastienSmithMagic New user 72 Posts |
Mind sharing a photo of the collection??
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On Mar 11, 2023, inigmntoya wrote: |
inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Jan 1, 2024, SebastienSmithMagic wrote: These pictures are several years old - shown both nested and unnested. I recently parted with the set at bottom-right, but overall there's more now. |
SebastienSmithMagic New user 72 Posts |
WOW!!! I truly appreciate that. It's a gorgeous collection.
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