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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
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On May 11, 2023, 1tepa1 wrote: Why do I torture myself....
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
Only you can answer that question. If you wish to convey something effectively to to me in regards to what you see as a problem, I suggest telling me straight what the issue is.
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Wravyn Inner circle 3482 Posts |
I wonder if instead of having both a side cut on one four of a kind and and end cut on the other four, perhaps it would make things easier to have one of those sets as short cards, cut to and shuffle to the top?
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Jason Simonds Veteran user Pensacola, FL 318 Posts |
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On May 12, 2023, 1tepa1 wrote: The issue is you've never owned or used a Stripper deck and refuse to do so, but you want to modify or improve something you've never touched with theory and mental !@#$%^&*()_+. |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On May 15, 2023, Jason Simonds wrote: I am open to being wrong with my theory, but I would appreciate it if people who know my theory is wrong could tell me why it would be wrong. Even though I have never had a stripper deck, I know how it works, and I don't see how handling a stripper deck would change anything. But if I am wrong I am open to people explaining to me why what I am suggesting would not work. |
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Jason Simonds Veteran user Pensacola, FL 318 Posts |
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On May 15, 2023, 1tepa1 wrote: And therein lies the problem. "I know how something I've never touched works, so I don't need to actually try one out to improve it." That's some hubris sir. |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On May 15, 2023, Jason Simonds wrote: Like I said I am open to being wrong, and if someone could point it the reason why I am wrong, I would take it into account. Just because you have not touched something does not automatically mean you don't know how it would work and can not use the idea to come up with something different based on that original principle. As an example, I have never touched a cheek to cheek deck either, but I can still come up with a change in the gaffed cards so that you can at the end spread the cards both ways which you can not do with a regular cheek to cheek deck. |
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Wravyn Inner circle 3482 Posts |
What I am understanding is you want to have a deck shaved evenly, so instead of the cards being 2.74" wide but 2.70" wide (or whatever the dimensions are on the shaved end of the stripper deck) and put in cards from a stripper deck.
If I am correct, it sounds like more work. I had bosses which knew how the systems worked and wanted to improve the process. What they did manage to do is take a system that worked well only to increase the work load needed to operate the system with a less than satisfactory output. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
There's a thing called trial and error. It used to be folks just tried and tried again until something clicked. There's the quote about Edison and the person who asked him about failure and he refused to admit having failed, but acknowledged that he developed hundreds of ways to NOT invent the light bulb. Obviously paraphrasing, so no need to get specific. The point was he kept at it, never abandoning the idea.
And I think there's a lesson there for all of us. So what I'd recommend is that 1tepa1 try any and all potential avenues. Strippers, belly strippers, narrow cards, wide cards, you name it. As he goes through the various options, I'm sure he'll find dead ends. But he also might see some glimmers of success, some things that point toward an ultimate solution. Some of the options might not be cheap. The belly strippers, for example, but regular strippers are cheap as are short decks. And you can make your own narrow cards and such with not too much work. And maybe other means are worth at least looking into. Those would include various crimps and possibly even slicked cards. Why not give everything a try? Just some thoughts.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On May 15, 2023, Wravyn wrote: The even shave seems the easiest to do. Its not just adding cards from a stripper deck into that deck, it is more like adding groups of cards that are specifically shaved in different ways so you can strip out the right group of cards by knowing which place to pull the cards from. So it would be like negative strippers, just instead of the strippable cards being negative, they are positive, and the deck is negative. You cant do this with a normal stripper deck, you can not have a spectator shuffle the cards, even give them a wash on the table, ask the spectator which picture cards they want to use and instantly be able to pull out those picture cards. |
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Wravyn Inner circle 3482 Posts |
If going groups of face cards you would only need 3 different types of angle cards... A typical stripper cut,an end stripper cut and the belly.
If you go forward with your idea, have fun, I think it would be more work than what I would want to invest my time with. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
If you are worried about the spectator shuffling, use audience management and encourage them to overhand shuffle them. Just pantomime the action and say, “give them a quick mix”.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On May 16, 2023, Ray J wrote: Yes this would certainly work if you have the cards set up before you start. It would work for one group of cards only though, unless you modify the groups so the cuts are different. The issue with this is that you need to have the set planned in advance. You need build the other tricks you do around the fact you need to keep the orientation of the cards intact. Or you need to start your act with the trick that uses the stripper feature. But with the type of deck I have in mind it would work completely impromptu, you don't have to worry about the orientation of the cards, you don't need to set up the cards beforehand (other than the initial setup of making the stripper deck) so you can essentially use the stripper feature to get control of the needed cards during any moment you want, you never have to think about the orientation of the cards during earlier routines you do, or set the orientation of the cards you want to strip beforehand, so the deck is essentially a normal deck until the moment when you want to take advantage of the stripper feature. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On May 15, 2023, 1tepa1 wrote: What I was getting at is if some of the cards are oriented the opposite way, using the stripper feature, they will remain that way after overhand shuffles. The only issue with spectator shuffling is if they riffle shuffle and rotate half the pack in doing so. That obviously screws the whole thing up. That was what I was referring to. It isn't a preset stack, just a preset condition, i.e. the target cards reversed end-to-end. Keep us posted as you work through this. It is likely to yield some interesting information and results. Good luck!
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
If you are familiar by Christian Engbloms "Triple C" you could make a deck in minutes that would allow you to control any four of a kind from a shuffled deck and orientation wouldnt matter... The work could be as heavy or thin as you needed and because of the positioning it would be extremely unlikely that laymen or even magicians would feel the altering....
Juha-Matti |
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On May 17, 2023, korttihai_82 wrote: Thanks, I am only aware that triple c exists, I don't know the method used but I will put it on the list of things to look into and potentially buy. |
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