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Fayaad Manie Loyal user 237 Posts |
Which book would be a better buy:
The complete works of derek dingle or Secrets of Bro. John Hamman |
LeConte Special user Bay area 830 Posts |
Every magic library should have both of these modern classics!
The Hamman book is much harder to find so I would get that one first. In fact I'm after that title myself! I do love the Dingle book ,however, as it contains some great effects and ideas. Some people might feel that many of the routines are best appreciated by only magicians and not laymen, but this is not always the case. Kaufman should be praised for bringing us both of these treasures and his art is always tremendous.
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joeKing Special user United States 979 Posts |
I only have Hamman's book, of the two, and I gotta tell you this is an AMAZING book. Bro. John Hamman created some of the most commercial magic and it's all in this book. Every routine is worth a look! Just by looking at the contents and size I would say that Hamman's book is the better buy (keep in mind I don't own Dingle's Book...which I am sure is amazing)
~joeKing
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Peo Olsson Inner circle Stockholm, Sweden 3260 Posts |
Depends what you are looking for.
Both are exellent books. I like them both. Hamman's book is on cardmagic only, wheras Dingle's are on an assorted range of cards, coins, balls, ciggaret's, and so on. Both books are higly recommended, if you are able to find them. Peo
Pictured to the left my hero and me during FISM 2006 in Stockholm.
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bdekolta Inner circle Texas 1636 Posts |
The Hamman book is fun to work through. Has a lot of routines that use gaffs. Be sure to make up something to try those routines with, you'll be glad you did.
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bumbleface Elite user 434 Posts |
But there is so much ungaffed material in there, it overshadows the gaffed stuff (which is still good). don't let the fact there are some gaffed tricks in there scare you...
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bumbleface Elite user 434 Posts |
Fine, I guess that's true. Just goes to show you how emotion of text still hasn't shown through in internet communication. Not to get deep or anything....
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AaronShields Loyal user 296 Posts |
I'd say go with Secrets of Brother John Hamman. In my opinion there's much more useable material in that book than in the Dingle book. The Dingle book should definately be in your library at some point, and there's some great material in there. There is, however, a significant portion of the book that involves tricks with some fairly contrived card handling, that in my opinion, is not worthy of being used on an audience. Some of the routines involve multiple kickers, which were initially desinged to take in other magicians. This approach to card magic has slowly gone out of date, although it's still very interesting from a historical perspective, and some of it is useable.
In short, I'd definately want both in my library, but if I had to choose one, I'd go with Hamman. |
Fayaad Manie Loyal user 237 Posts |
Thanks guys,sounds like Bro. John Hamman is the way to go. I will definately get both of them at some stage.
And Aaronshields, I understand what you are saying, you do not have to repeat it 4 times. |
carbone1853 Loyal user RI USA 239 Posts |
I would go with The Complete Works Of Derek Dingle. I enjoy Derek Dingle style. Also it had a greater verity of material. And it has some material that can be done from the stage. (card in ballon, cards accross)
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eryanic Special user 683 Posts |
Fayaad....aren't these 2 books out of print? where can you get them?
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cpatchett Veteran user My current prediction is that I have 337 Posts |
Don't forget that the source video Richard Kaufmann shot of Bro. John for the book is now available on DVD at a ridiculously low price (around $50 for 6 DVDs, somewhere between 11-13 hours of video). It's was never meant to be published, so it's not polished, but you get 97 effects, only 80 of which are in the book. Best $50 I ever spent on magic!
The DVD set is titled "The Lost Works of Bro. John Hamman" but a lot of dealers are listing it as "Bro. John Hamman's Lost Works" Craig
Magician: Someone willing to spend $15 to learn how to make $1 disappear.
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marko Inner circle 2109 Posts |
I agree with cpatchett. The Bro. John Hamman DVDs are a treasure.
Thought: Why does man kill? He kills for food. And not only food: frequently there must be a beverage.
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runawayjag Inner circle 1085 Posts |
If I could choose only one, it would be the Derek Dingle book. Years ago, I saw a close-up show which featured both men. Derek was in his prime and kind of the new golden boy on the block. Bro. John was not seen much and mostly known for his ingenious gaffed cards.
Dingle did, among others, Color Triumphant, Four Coins in the Countin' and his incredible version of the Sympathetic Cards. Bro. John did all non-gaffed stuff, except for Micro Macro. I went with a lady who was a total layman. I have always listened to the opinions of laymen with more interest than that of magicians. I asked her what she thought of each performer (there were two others.) The strongest impression made on her was by Derek. His stuff was truly magical, in her eyes. I asked what she thought of Bro. John. Her response was that she thought he was good, but he used all those trick cards (her words, not mine). That was amazing to me, since he used only one. To this day, I do probably more than a dozen of the routines from Derek's book for real people. From the Hamman book, I do a very few (most notably, the highly overlooked Return of the Pink Panther.) Derek's stuff plays for real people. Bro John's stuff plays for magicians because they overlook the unusual counts (like the Gemini Count and especially the Flushtration Count,) while laymen raise an eyebrow when they see them. They are usually puzzled, if not suspicious. I am talking about my experience observing laymen watching these two gentlemen do their own stuff; not anyone watching me do their material. I can remember years ago seeing Bro. John's lecture when he introduced the trick called, "Flush-tration," which used the now-famous count to create a surprise back color change ending. Even though the move was completely new at the time, on seeing it I thought, "Does nobody realize he's showing the same card over and over?" I knew both men very well, Bro. John better since he lived here in town most of his life. In fact, I arranged and took Bro John to Japan for a lecture tour for Ton Onosaka in the late 80's. The only reason I mention this is so that you understand that I like and admire Bro John's work. I am not knocking him in any way whatsoever. I just think that, one on one, Derek's book is better. |
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