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Nikodemus Inner circle 1174 Posts 
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The only stack I have memorised (so far) is Martin Joyal's Six Hour Memorised Deck.
If I ever learn another one, I will almost certainly use the Major system (aka the Peg system) popularised by Harry Lorayne - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system But already I am thinking ahead to the possibility of wanting to learn a third stack in the future, using the Peg system again. At first, this seems like it could be very confusing. To remove the ambiguity, it has occurred to me to use an extra letter to distinguish the stacks. This would yield a different set of keywords. For example, if learning Mnemonica, you could start each keyword with an extra M for Mnemonica (or T for Tamariz). For the Aronson stack you could use S for Simon. For the Redford stack use P or R. Has anyone done this already? |
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David Numen Inner circle 2076 Posts
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There’s all kinds of things you can do to expand an initial peg list. In one of the Tony Buzan books he suggests altering the images in different ways to turn 100 per words into 1000.
For example, if you wanted to learn Mnemonica you could make the peg images Spanish in some way. |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1174 Posts
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That's an interesting idea, thank you
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
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As I wrote back in 2021 (and before)
 : Generally (by experience) I would not recommend learning a second stack. I would recommend what Simon Aronson suggested already. It is based on Si Stebbins, e. g. in CHaSeD order. If you see your stack, just think which card would precede in Stebbins and replace the card. For example: If the JS is your #1, replace it by the 8H which precedes the JS in Stebbins, and so on. If you would see now the 8H you have only to think which card follows the 8H in Stebbins, which would be the JS. The JS is your #1. Therefore, the 8H is your #1 in your second stack… Jan
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts
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An alternative which I believe was suggested by Harry Lorayne is to use colors to differentiate them.
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DJ Trix Inner circle 1197 Posts
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Why would you need to know more then one memorized deck?
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1174 Posts
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On Jun 16, 2023, DJ Trix wrote: Some people might just enjoy the challenge for its own sake. (Someone posted on the Café about a year ago I think, who had memorised about 6 or 7). In more practical terms, you might find one stack more useful in some situations, and prefer another in different situations. EG A tetradistic stack has certain benefits due to its repeating pattern; but this could be detrimental in some effects. Or you might create an effect that works with two decks, each stacked - but stacked differently. Which is something I have been playing around with. Quote:
On Jun 12, 2023, JanForster wrote: Jan, Generating a "virtual" stack from a stack you already know is a useful concept. You could also use the Bart Harding transformation, and possibly others. However, you have commented on many other threads that it is much faster to use a memorised stack than a formula. And a derived stack is of course a formula. it would work adequately in many situations; but would not give you the instant recall you would get if you genuinely memorised a second stack. In the two-deck effect I mentioned above, I use Joyal stack for one deck, and Is Stebbins for the second. [I only need to know the next card]. My recall for the Stebbins deck feels much more effortful than for the Joyal one. |
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts
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If the Stebbins transformation is too cumbersome I’d check out some that Doug uses in Calculated Thoughts.
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
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On Jun 17, 2023, Nikodemus wrote: Yes, I stay to my words, of course... But in this case I would not consider it using a "formula"... if you try it you'll see how easy and quick it is. Jan
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Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1369 Posts
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Learning a second stack is very interesting when you are bored and unable to occupy yourself with something more useful.
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rrubin98 Veteran user Cogito, ergo sum scripsit 358 Posts
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I learned 7 stacks for a video I posted. At that time, I was hoping to promote a "memory techniques for magicians" book I was writing. The book is now on hold indefinitely, but here's the video link. There's no pseudo memory or trickery in the demo. That said, I was being facetious when I claimed I used a song to remember the stack orders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJkuGX8qtYo |
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1174 Posts
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I saw your video a while back; and was very impressed. I assumed the song technique was genuine.
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jared23m New user 61 Posts
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On Jun 17, 2023, Nikodemus wrote: I'm certainly not going to say memorizing more than one deck is a bad thing. But also this is a cost benefit analysis. What is more likely to screw up an effect, a slight time delay or accidentally mixing up the decks in your head? From personal (albeit limited) experience of both scenarios, it's a lot easier for me to keep the decks straight when I know one of them is springboarded off the other. I think this might be what Jan was alluding to with his opinion. I cannot be sure though. To each their own, but at the very least I think both options are valid. |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts
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You are correct ...
... Jan
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Chris.k New user 51 Posts
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Check the memory arts by Sarah trsustman basically is a memory palace
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