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Greg Rostami V.I.P. Skynet will become self-aware in 2871 Posts |
Hi Rannie,
Yes, I am here in Los Angeles. . . I might drop by the Castle sometime this week while you're here. If I decide to go, I'll make sure I PM you about it so we can meet. To answer your question, YES you can do COSMOS for one spectator. This plus a few other surprises are going to be on the COSMOS DVD. http://www.rostamimagic.com/dvd_cosmosb.jpg The price of the DVD is still not set. I'm sure it will be less then $25. I still want to talk to my distributor about this before I quote a final price. Also . . . BIG NEWS . . . for me that is I discovered a way of doing COSMOS 1x1 where the magician gets his colors totally random, while the spectator gets his colors 100% right. This has been something that I've wanted to do for a LONG time. And, TODAY I'm so happy that I FINALLY figured out a really easy way to do this. Now, for those of you who are unfamiliar with the classic OOTW method, this might not sound like a BIG DEAL . . . but trust me it adds a LOT to the routine. Here's why: In the 1x1 presentation of COSMOS, the magician is competing with the spectator to see which one of them is going to get the most colors separated right. With this NEW version, at the end, the magician has a random pile of reds and blacks in front of his indicator cards, while the SPECTATOR has separated the colors PERFECTLY. This is a very strong presentation because, you must remember that COSMOS starts with a spectator shuffled deck. It makes sense that the magician should get his cards wrong . . . the feat of separating the colors given these conditions IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. But, here comes the climax . . . when the spectator turns over his own cards they have been PERFECTLY SEPARATED!! I would really love to hear what you guys might think about this new presentation. thank you, Greg Rostami |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
I love it. This is an example of "Unoffensive Magic". It hits you hard with a gentle blow! I would love to learn this. After studying the Cosmos, I have an intant idea on how this can be achieved. Its the positioning that Im trying to figure out. Anyway, great thinking Greg.
Peace, Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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Sensio Special user I promise I won't exceed 641 Posts |
I have seen magicians impressing enough other magicians but not laymen and I have also seen the opposite.
To me, the important thing is to understand our mission of creating mystery, this means as simple as possible stuff with strong and effective presentation (ie the opposite of what fellow magicians look for). As such, it is nice to fool a magician but someone must never let this become the driver of his work and practice. Although it is challenging especially when you go at those magicians' meetings, the main reasoning of going to these meetings should be to get some new ideas & tips as well as to tone up your interest in magic. This is the way I feel about it... |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
You have a very valid point . Most of us , well actually I can only speak for myself , seek "magician foolers" to entertain our fellow magicians. Its not really an EGO thing. I believe it makes our fellow magicians get out of their comfortable couch and think again. As a magician, I love traveling and going to conventions and attending club meetings, because somewhere between dinner and breakfast, in a corner somewhere , I get the wonderful feeling of being fooled. It reminds me of the feeling when I was starting.
This however must not be the driver as you stated. Its just a thoughtful thing to do to a magician friend or a potential friend , depending on your assesment of your new acquaintance. Of course this is just my opinion. we must aspire to inspire rather than expire! Peace,
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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Azaziel New user California 51 Posts |
I just got blueprint by Daniel Garcia.. Nacho mamma triump would be a good one to pull off. Or even white or wheat
The greatest tick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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love2laugh Veteran user 374 Posts |
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On 2004-07-30 17:50, Curtis Kam wrote: LOL!!!!! |
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msc455magic Inner circle Taipei, Taiwan 1523 Posts |
Recently after reading through the book The Greater Artful Dodges of Eddie Fields, I believe there contains dozens of tricks to fool magicians. His section on "impossible card locations" is worth a look. His trick Tripartite is so easy and works so well. His work on a version of card to cardcase is also genius.
In order to fool magicians, do non-standard move. For example, if you hold a five card packet and you want to show it as 4 cards, using a triple buckle might prove more effective than sliding three cards from the bottom. It is these little things that fools well informed magicians. Best, msc455magic
Magic of Japan:
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
Why would I want to fool magicians?
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Vernest Regular user 169 Posts |
Here is the bottom line. And this seriously gets me #$#$$$ mad. I HATE "magicians" who say "Why would I want to fool magicians?" or "Magicians don't pay the bills, so I don't mind fooling them"
I got a message for you If you say "I don't like to fool magicians because bla bla bla bla", that is a LAME excuse for LACK OF SKILL in both performance and technique. If you are good, you should be able to entertain and fry both layaudiences and magicians AT THE SAME TIME. Not to be rude,although I do a fantastic job apparently, but its the truth. Example? BILL Malone. He can make you laugh until you sh#t your pants and fry your mind at the same time. that's why he is good and one of the best. What will fool magicians? Ingenious methods. Not just good sleight of hand,which also is fantastic. But ingenious methods are always 100% surefire. You might also want to mix it with theories such as Too-Perfect Theory by Rick Johnsson (is that right?). You might also want to incorporate subtleties,although I've had discussions with many about it and I stil am convinced that subtlety moves make a world of a difference. ...and if I get kicked out of this forum for saying the truth,then maybe people should think more about who they are and what they do before they take actions. |
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KidCrenshaw Special user USA 537 Posts |
I get a kick out of fooling magicians. The problem I run into is that most magicians I've fooled have a hard time admitting it. It's always a lame, "oh yeah, I've seen that one, that's cool".
I wanna smack 'em in their *** head because we all know that look on someone's face when they've been fooled. When I'm showing one of those "foolers" I always look right at them to see that look on their face. It's priceless. Trying to fool each other seems to be a natural occurance given what we do. Why wouldn't we try to fool each other? We spend all our time rehearsing to make something so entertaining that it's fun to just let loose, relax and fool the pants off of a magician. Why wouldn't you? Ok, so now I'll add something. I'm not sure what the name of the last move is in Reset (AoA version), where you're changing the very last card by brushing the long sides against each other. I've noticed it to fool magicians quite often. Also there is a Drop Vanish in Bobo's (not cards of course) in the Vanishes section - VERY cool. I even started using it as a click pass by doing it twice in a row - it kills. I don't think it's the method,I think it's the context in which you use it.
"Put your faith in Providence, but always cut the cards"
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weapon Inner circle I am Emran. I have, 1328 Posts |
Try sal piacentes, 4, 5, 6 packet trick...or his memory opener
Eternity by Emran Riaz (Gimmicks + Download) An IMPOSSIBLE prediction of ANY number, ANY word, literally ENGRAVED in a medallion they've been holding THE ENTIRE TIME.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/12181 |
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Erdnase27 Inner circle 2505 Posts |
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On 2005-08-12 01:37, Vernest wrote: ow sorry I'm not such a good "magician"as you are. Except for the fact that I perform weekly, are in a group of magicians for a long time it doesn't bother me much to fool magicians. I eprform to magicians to show my talent of eprforming not to shwo the routine. |
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
This is a very interesting topic. Of course many things will fool another magician. This all depends on their knowledge or lack there of. I have fooled the best of them. At the same time, I have also been fooled by the worst of them. It just all depends on, not their skill, but their knowledge. Here is an example: I have fooled MANY magicians with my trick called "OVERCAST". This is my baby that I can perform with a shuffled deck. It is very easy to perform, and MOST card magicians have seen, at some point, the moves that are in this effect. But because they do not use them often, they go by the way side and they forget about them. I love this trick and will do it for magicians to fool them as well as entertain them.
Vernest, whoever the hell you are, its not about lack of skill. Its about how you can use what YOU know, against a magician that either does NOT know, or does know, but has forgotten. As you know, I love to use things that magicians know against them to fool them. I STRIVE on magician foolers. This is for my session buddies or a magic convention. At the same time, I enjoy performing for laymen like crazy. Will I perform a magician fooler for a layman? Probably not, but at least it is in my arsenal. Best, Trini Love Ya Irv
Trini Montes
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emptycupmagic Loyal user 216 Posts |
Nilsson's Reverse Flip has never failed to disarm any magician I've shown it to.
Bob Plaut
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On 2004-07-30 00:10, Shane Wiker wrote: Shane, your buddies are looking for the same thing. You should know that by now.... Try something offbeat. Something that is not flashy. Something that they don't even see. Didn't even know it was coming. Something bold. Something that will take some work. If you're interested in my idea, PM me.
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Vernest Regular user 169 Posts |
Skill,knowledge...you are still an idiot if you can't think and apply that to what you can do. And if you can do more things, then it expands the range of possibilities instead of having to use only non-risk techniques.
Yes, they will fool a magician, but look at what Lucero does with his skills only (plus other neat ways of thinking). Just an opinion... strike two T! |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
There are many things that can fool magicians. Trilogy recently fooled a room full of magicians at the Plymouth Magic Circle. Any of Sal Piacantes Expert Card Magic lecture notes are great, especially as Weapon said Memory Opener or 4-5-6 Packet trick. A new WOrld by Dean Dill and Michael Webber are great tricks, all magicians love OOTW effects, and this one is so clean. T & R's can be great foolers as well. Any old tricks can be awesome as well as new ones that invlove new gimmicks. I remember the first time I used Escalator at the circle meeting and after, everyone wanted a look, they thought it was so visually stunning
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scorch Inner circle 1480 Posts |
Get a copy of Mnemonica if you want to fool magicians. I hate to let the cat out of the bag, but memdecks have an undeserved reputation for being difficult to learn & retain, etc. As a result only about 2% or 3% of magicians work with them. The effects you can do with a good memorized stack are truly miraculous, and unless the magicians have worked with memdeck systems before, they will have no clue. And even if they have learned and easier stacking system, there are effects with the Tamariz or Aronson stacks that will still seem impossible to them.
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
True, actually, the last time I saw Pit Hartling he did 1 of the most awesome tricks ive ever seen infront of a room full of magicians. It blew everyone in the room away. All I can remember is that it was the one that was talked about most that day, and it incorparted the best deck switch ive ever seen and the mnemonica stack and a feint everyone that had forgotten about, and it was so unbelieveable its almost untrue
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Will Gordon Regular user Las Vegas 124 Posts |
Hi Shane
We may go to the same club. I won't give you any advice, because I love to get fooled. Everyone including myself will be watching out for you! ;-) |
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