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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
Hello All! I have finally recieved my first copy of Coinmagic. If you where to pick out only 5 effects to study, what would they be? Thanks for your replies. Mark
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Magic-Daniel Inner circle Denmark 1328 Posts |
Rather than us naming our favorite effects, its far more fun to go through each and every routine yourself, and discover the gems yourself..
Best, Daniel |
sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
I have actually had the book for about a month and have learned Roth's stand up copper/silver classic and Latta's Copsilbrass. Those 2 so far are my favorite, so I would like to know of other favorites people have from the book, thanks
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
This is an interesting question if you use the answers wisely. Ignore everything anyone posts and learn the routines that no one mentions. That way you won't be doing the same five tricks that everyone else does.
For that reason I won't recommend any of the routines but I will suggest that you learn Sol Stone's Tumble Switch/Change and Friedhoffer's shuttle pass. I've never met anyone, other than Curtis Kam, who uses the Stone move. Oh, and even though I don't use it in any routines Kaufman's Touch Change is very nice and seems to startle other magicians when I do it. |
Sk8rDave Regular user California 189 Posts |
I highly recommend starfish copper silver as an interesting tidbit you won't see many other folks doing. Although I never understood why the 3 coin version was easier so I just focused on the 2 coin version since it didn't need an extra coin.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
CopSilBrass by Geoff Latta.
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
If I may, I'll suggest that instead of five tricks, you pick five general lessons as the goals of your study. For example,
To study how to bring an abstract idea to life as a magical demonstration, study the Roth formal table routines. To learn how to refine a technique until it is optimally deceptive both visually and psychologically, study the Latta material. Compare it to what existed before. To learn the value of grace, observe how the Sol Stone material uses the natural flow of a given movement. To learn something new, take a routine that you think couldn't possibly fool anyone, and work at it until you understand how it does. To understand the difference between what you do and what the audience percieves, look at the Slydini material. You won't complete this study anytime soon, but by the time you've made some progress, you'll have more than five tricks that work for you.
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Sk8rDave Regular user California 189 Posts |
Wow, Curtis. That was an excellent post along the lines of "teach a man to fish".
Dave |
saturnin Special user Montreal, Canada 964 Posts |
Indeed, an excellent post Mr Kam.
Keep them coming. I will save it on my hardrive. Thanks Ronnie Lemieux Montreal Canada
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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
Thank you everybody for the advice. When I read what the author says for example " If you only learn one effect from this book, than this is the one." Or, "This is a masterpiece of construction: David Roth has called the second transposition the best use of a copper/silver coin he's seen. It's one of the most visually astounding coin routines you'll ever learn." It was those comments in the book that gave me the desire to learn Stand up copper/silver and Copsilbrass. I respect your comments gang, thanks.
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Sirakor Regular user 179 Posts |
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On 2004-08-25 05:40, Curtis Kam wrote: wow, sometimes I think this forum is a better place to learn coin magic than my books and dvd's ;-) Curtis, do you have a similar piece of advice for Kaufman's Roths Expert Coin Magic book too? I'd really appreciate it. |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Sirakor,
The majority of Roth's formal routines are, naturally, in the Roth book. Routines like "Portable Hole", "Acentric Purse", "Karate coin" and the varied approaches to "Open Travelers" that appear in COIMAGIC are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. If the thought of turning abstract concepts into real magic demonstrations appeals to you, then you'll want to spend a lot of time on that section of the Roth book. With regard to the rest of the book, I really don't see much benefit in a study guide. Do keep in mind that this is all the work of one man, and the technical and artistic choices evident in the routines are all going to reflect a single point of view. Where there is much to be learned in COINmagic from comparing the approaches of different performers, you can't do that here. I have found it valuable to ask: "what's the performer's goal here?" for each routine, and then to evaluate how well that goal was achieved. It's very interesting to compare how Mr. Roth approaches a single event effect like the Coin in Bottle to the manner in which he scripts the multiphase routines. (Purse and Glass is a particularly intricate dance) I'm happy you found my post useful. Good luck with the material.
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