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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
It went over well at my monthly S.A.M meeting a couple of months ago.
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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts |
I bought this booklet years ago and am only now happily starting working on it after getting good at Daryl's Three Fly III. Lee Asher has lots of videos on his newly remodeled site, but not Three Stylin'. Is a professional performance on a video somewhere?
Many times I have heard that no one notices that only the red chip moves. Excuse me for being skeptical. If I am nervous about this, wouldn't it make sense to let either of the more easily confused blue or green do the hopping? Lee must have picked red for a reason. Help me, why?
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
I received green instead of red. I have green, blue, and white. I think using red would be more visual though.
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ehands Special user Mississippi 524 Posts |
Yes, red seems more visual to me too. That is why I worried that letting it do all the hopping might help a deconstructionist realize only one chip was hopping. If instead of red (or white) you let green (or blue) hop, it would seem less likely the forensic-minded spectator figured it only one moved, i.e., the method.
Lee Asher clearly thought the spectator would not be aware only one hopped. Maybe he chose red arbitrarily? I just do not want to be missing some point about using red.
"Oh look, we have created enchantment." Blanche DuBois
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
I think this is being over-analyzed. IMO the spectators will not be aware of which colors move across unless the magician points it out. To them, three chips go from hand to hand one at a time, period.
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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
I've never been questioned about it. I don't mention the colors either.
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KLG Veteran user Hong Kong 348 Posts |
I love this routine, but have rarely performed it since I don't have a good way to ditch in the end. What methods do you use?
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
I think it's fun, and I think it looks like magic.
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ben jaques New user 2 Posts |
The perception with the presentation is that all three coins travle. don't over think the perception of the laymen! you call attention to the first chip the second chip and the third chip. not the red chip, the green chip, and the white chip! this is a very powerful effect if YOUR presentation and timing are well rehersed.
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billmonroe Regular user Annapolis, MD 181 Posts |
If you use the bicycle 11.5g poker chips, they have that little something in them that Lee Asher's chips have to make the ditch at the end easier. ceers,
bill |
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
I've seen a number of people perform this effect while I was sitting with my lay friends or with laymen I didn't know, and on MOST of these occasions someone commented that only the red chip moved.
Audience members are often too polite. Just because they don't say anyting doesn't mean they didn't catch you. I don't like this trick. I think it's very obvious and this is only from experience with comments from my lay friends. Even if you don't mention the colors, laymen aren't as stupid as you think.
Michael Feldman
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James Harrison Special user Ontario, Canada 762 Posts |
I like Lee's construction of the trick, but I was expecting a C/S type chip instead of a 'extra' poker chip.
Good routining, though I would of perfered more than just one color jumping across. |
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Zhang Special user 515 Posts |
Audience members are often too polite. Just because they don't say anyting doesn't mean they didn't catch you. I don't like this trick. I think it's very obvious and this is only from experience with comments from my lay friends.
Even if you don't mention the colors, laymen aren't as stupid as you think. mfeld, I agree with that,that is why I never like that trick either. WZ, |
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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
To each his own. I've been accused of using magnets and asked if they were real poker chips. By the way, some of these people are teachers and lawyers.
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
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On 2008-03-07 01:54, sleightofhander wrote: why is it bad that teachers and lawyers are asking if they are real poker chips? They might not be - there are a ton of threefly variatiosn with gaffs and some with magnets. Those are perfectly reasonable questions in my opinion.
Michael Feldman
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sleightofhander Special user 618 Posts |
Quote: Did I say It was bad? My main point is that they weren't asking me why only the red chip was going. I don't perform it as written in the instructions. I came up with my own routine using ideas from Geoff Latta, Troy Hooser, Michael Rubinstein. Lee Asher challenges you in the instructions to change the routine if you don't like the fact that only one chip travels.
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 457 Posts |
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On 2008-03-07 22:20, sleightofhander wrote: Ahhh... Ok I guess I just missunderstood your comment in the context of the conversation. My bad.
Michael Feldman
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JTW Special user Florida 670 Posts |
Ok I've been performing this effect off and on for a long time. My conclucion is too many people notice the discrepancy for it to be a REAL worker. That is only if you follow Lee's handling (which in all honesty is a little cozy for me...then again he works primarily with cards but I digress). I developed a similiar yet different handling. The first and second phases are just variations of handling points but they follow the original effect. The third phase breaks completely with what Lee has and gives you the ability to send one of the other chips across at the end. You don't need any more chips than what came with the original set.
In my opinion it has made all the difference. Here is my theory of why: the first chip is a surprise (sort of, I tell them it will go across but I don't tell them when), The second chip follows the precedence set by the first. Now the audience is paying attention and this is where the discrepancy is weakest. They know which chip went on the second phase so the third needs to break the pattern NOT support it as Lee's original handling does. With a little thought I'm sure you guys can come up with something similiar to what I have and it really makes a big difference. |
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wayman Special user England - Sunderland 589 Posts |
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JimMagicguy New user 16 Posts |
Sorry...3 Fly to spectators looks like a juggler with coins. Regardless who "invented" it, I do like to see "underground" magicians get all ****y when another "magician" whips out their collector brass P&L Name Dropper...."familiar with other routines ala Kenner, Townsend, Wilson, Kranzo, etc."
One thing I haven't seen from anyone claiming originality is dates? Going back to what one poster alluded to, Jay Sankey, Camirand Academy of Magic early Sankey his 1st 2 VHS tapes, during his lumberjack days with a throat beard and flannel did an in the air HPC-CPH juggling visual copper silver coins across, or coin and coin purse visual palm up transposition multiple times, so unless 3-Fly concept was before those videos or Sankey's similar Wild Coin in Richard's Almanac? I've also see Ben Harris back in the early 80's do a coin across routine where he was doing similar to David Roth's Pop Out move in the air and catching them between thumb and 1st finger, not from classic to under finger on a surface. So again this juggling coins back and forth for no reason except without a $300 Lassen gimmick to get the 3rd coin across....it's like doing the classic pass 4 times in a row as a color change...not because it looks good, but because you can, and you and obviously other magicians fight over them and collect them. For Non-Informed Not Underground Super Secret Magicians I'll give you a fishing analogy...3 Fly is like the most expensive lures in the fishing isle at a Walmart, only thing it catches are the fisherman, the fish(spectators) would rather see you pull out a set of $3 old dirty Goshman sponge balls. Oh and I do perform 3-Fly, Maxime Montiers, closest thing to Apollo Robbins version but with a gimmick...and yes that would be anyone who knows me...my almost 30 yr old Johnson. |
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