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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
R4bid...your 'explaination' does not cover some of these posts. Have you read them all?
Muddy...I call it...uh...silly stuff...I have no idea what category it fits in...I was wrong last night and night before though! BUT...I hadn't attempted to think ahead of time...just asked 'how did you do' with out any thought at all or concern for the answer. Actually Muddy...I do have a name for it...Xmosis Effect 2. Doug
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
You might want to look into the writings of Robert Anton Wilson, particularly "Coincidance" and "The New Inquisition."
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Muddy Elite user 449 Posts |
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Muddy...I call it...uh...silly stuff... :) |
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Nikodini Regular user 195 Posts |
Mikael,
There is a possibility that you might have a mental disorder. 84-87% of people who experience _frequent_ deja-vu type episodes have a frontal lobe disorder. You should definitely see a neurologist if these events persist. Quote:
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Pharaoh Nuff Regular user Third stone from the sun 119 Posts |
I can highly recommend a recent book by Martin Plimmer and Brian King; Beyond Coincidence.
Stories of amazing coincidences and the mystery and mathematics that lie behind them. One example. Laura Buxton, aged ten, releases a balloon from her garden in Staffordshire. It lands 140 miles away in Wiltshire, in the garden of another Laura Buxton, aged ten. Another book I have just started is The men who stare at goats, by Jon Ronson. Very nutty. |
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r4bid Veteran user 386 Posts |
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On 2004-12-31 12:19, Xmosis wrote: I have read most of them and have concluded that some of them are a bit far from fact. When strange coincidences happen you have a very strong imprint of that event in your mind and over time it is very easy for that memory to become exaggerated. I am of the opinion that this entire thread is about deja vu and "reverse deja vu" (for the lack of a better name) and anything that doesn't fit either of those two phenomena is embellished either intentionally or on a less than conscious level by the posters. If you want to believe otherwise then do so but with my studies into psychology I have been exposed to a good deal of information that debunks the descriptions in this thread as simply normal biological processes or random chance and memory exaggeration. Remember, when something extraordinary happens just by chance you remember it much more vividly than all the normal things that go on in your life. If once in your entire lifetime you walk up to someone and are able to guess their name and occupation by random chance you will remember that event for the rest of your life. The number of times that you tried to do that and failed may fade away into the recesses of your mind and you may eventually think that you can do it with about 10% accuracy when in fact you are just forgetting a lot of the times when it didn’t work and you actually have 1% accuracy which may be perfectly reasonable due to probability and random chance. |
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art the magic guy! Regular user back in the USA, FINALLY!! 159 Posts |
Mr Nikodini seems to have a serious problem with controversial mentalism topics. all he does is offer medical diagnosis and advise ( something I am not sure he is even qualified to do) and does nothing but post offending thoughts about the original poster.
why don't we stick to the topic at hand???
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
R4bid say: "I have read most of them and have concluded..."
'Concluded' from most not all? Since you seem to take pride in your science studies...and may be headed for a professional career...might I be so bold to say that MOST might not be enough to find the one fragment of information you need to be able to 'Conclude' accurately about the All. Just a 'thought', especially when judging who is or who is not "embellishing". Remember Mr Spock was wrong on ocassion...especially when logic recieved a twist. Doug
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r4bid Veteran user 386 Posts |
Xmosis: I don't believe I ever said all the posts are ____. I did say that the entire thread was about deja vu. The ontopic posts, the ones I am talking about, are in my opinion about deja vu as it realtes to psychology so this is a perfectly fine thing for me to say. I apologize if I was less than clear in that regard.
My goal here is not to prove something but to give commentary and a possible(and likely) explanation. To do so I am not required to examine everything. I only aim to show one explanation for one subset of the posts. I choose to only discuss those posts and to show one possible line of reasoning that casts doubt on the validity of the beliefs behind those posts. With that said I have read 95%+ of the posts here, if a post looked relevant I read the entire thing. Otherwise I skimmed it. You need not attack my character, only my ideas are up for discussion here. I don't like arguing online as it is rather unproductive. If you would like to tell me why my theory is wrong or if you have an alternative theory then please reply but if we are to simply attack each others word choice or make the same statements over and over again then we will be wasting time. |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Attack your character??? I word my posts very carefully and no such attack was meant or occured. If I were to 'judge' anything it would be maybe you need a bit more milage under your belt in the real world outside of school and studies.
I'm sorry...I was under the impression I was discussing in good humor and from the standpoibnt of 62 years of hands on rather than what I've read or been 'exposed to' in 'studies'...though I'm sure your head is filled with wonderful facts and case studies that you are being taught. That's not a bad thing...I only called into question, coming to a conclusion prior to absorbing ALL that is available. If that is attacking your character...well...back to the books. ...carry on. BTW: I don't necessarily disagree with your theories. Doug
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Nikodini Regular user 195 Posts |
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On 2005-01-01 10:40, art the magic guy! wrote: Lurk more. WTF do you think you are?! You've been here for a day and made a crapload of stupid posts. Why? Also, topic at hand is deja--vu, can't you friggin read?! STFU. People who experience frequent deja-vu type events could be having some medical issues. They should check themselves out before it is too late. |
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asmayly Loyal user San Antonio, Texas 291 Posts |
What I find most interesting about these "psychic experiences" is that I realize how un-testable they are and that perhaps it is exactly that un-testable environment that make the psychic experience happen.
Someone earlier had pointed that we only remember our hits and forget the hundreds of misses. But I think these examples are of those unique situations when a person suddendly gets a feeling to make a "guess". The person isn't guessing all the time, that would be like a test and they probably wouldn't pass. The feeling is sudden and in tune with someother kind of information that is non-linear as he/she is getting it. I've done something like this before at a craps table. I was winning and this guy next to me called me a smart-ass (for some reason I blocked out). I was ticked but smiling (and yeah, I had been drinking) and said, "oh, yeah, watch this ..(I announced to everyone at the crap table that something was going to happen before I rolled the dice because I HAD THIS STRONG FEELING) and I rolled another seven. Another time I was with some people where we had been driving to small towns across the country. At this particular town we had arrived in a totally innocuous part where it was a bit run-down and there was a bar (and this was early in the afternoon not at night) and before I went in, I announced outloud that I was going to see someone in there that I knew. (This was partly I think because it just seemed so UNLIKELY to see anyone I knew and because I had this STRONG FEELING.) And in a state I had never been in before, in a small bar, someone called out my name out as we entered and it was someone I knew briefly years before. I think people who have these experiences don't go around announcing predictions all the time as a way of passing a test. The "test" presents itself and you just go with it. The feeling is the event, the event is not the result. An anology may be that if I see a falling star in a patch of sky others may say that the event doesn't exist because they may not have ever seen a falling star and I can't prove it by having us all look at the patch of sky during a given test period of time. Others may say there are no falling stars, and that's OK. But I've seen them. |
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caubeck Elite user 412 Posts |
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On 2004-12-31 10:26, r4bid wrote: I don't want to get into a discussion of this here, but no, it's not the same at all, and yes, I've researched that far, that deeply and beyond. The difference between deja vu and this kind of "precognition" or "hallucination" is considerable. As I said elsewhere, I'm happier to consider a link between this and schizophrenia, not because I believe the experiences must be related but because it's the closest thing I've found to it. And for the record, I'm glad it came to an end. I research claims of paranormal phenomena as part of my work in folklore and history, and would describe my current approach or perspective as "highly skeptical." In recent years I have devoted a lot of time to studying historical claims of unusual aerial phenomena, as a Google search for my name, Chris Aubeck, should show. One of my hobbies is to take strange incidents recorded in history or urban legends and trace them to their origin, which virtually always turns out to be totally mundane. I then write up my investigations in the form of reports or publishable articles. Sometimes it takes up to four years and an enormous amount of "library work" to reach a satisfactory conclusion. The thought that I have been unable to find a convincing clinical explanation for events as I experienced them during my teenage years is not, for me, a pleasant one. |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Asmayly...I liked your post. Caubeck...you too.
Interesting stuff. Doug
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prospero Special user Elsewhere 572 Posts |
I always have this when people are talking, and I'm not sure what it is. I think it may be a subconscious reaction to the probability of certain words being spoken, or, alternately, our brain fools us--AFTER we hear them say the word--into thinking that we had a premonition that they were to speak it.
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Muddy Elite user 449 Posts |
I don't know anything about the author, but I found the following article interesting and well presented:
http://www.rit.org/essays/think/esp.html I'm not bringing this as a challenge to anyone's beliefs, btw ... just thought it was interesting and related to this thread |
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Mikael Eriksson Inner circle None of your business 1064 Posts |
I have not been here for awhile, but I see the discussion has been "wild" sometimes. I want to thank certain people for being supportive. I don't think this subject can be proven, at least not in the cases where I get the thought in my head a split second before it happens.
As for mental disorder, well, I don't know if there is a link between mental disorder and deja vu, but I know that the phenomenon I talk about feels entirely different from deja vu. Mikael |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Thoughts are wave forms too right? I think our mind is like an antena picking up waves here and there. When we are relaxed, almost in an altered state of consciousness, we are more receptive to these waves. The key is to be able to be conscious about it. Usually in our waking hours, we are just too unfocused to realize the merits of this consciousness. Another explaination could be information from the storage system in our brain. There are obscure conections for every word or events that we see and hear. For ex. the word ice cream could be triggered by a PARK, BALOON, KID, CLOWN etc... Maybe phrases like, "On a hot day like this I could use an."..., or "Here kid , buy yourself an...."
I guess you get my point. I am not an expert or authority on these things, certainly not. These are justv my ideas . I have been thinking about this since I was a kid. Talked with a lot of people about it too. Whatever it is , I think it is worth studying. Peace, Rannie
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MentaThought Special user 615 Posts |
Gotta mention two of my favorite coincidence stories (both documented - I have the audio tape!):
1. A radio station was doing a series on "coincidences in life" and one of the staff went out on the street asking people what their birth date was as part of an experiement. Lo and behold, with microphone in hand they approach a complete stranger to query him about his birth date and introduce themselves by quickly explaining they're producing a radio show on coincidences. Turns out the guy they approached just put up a website devoted to the issue of "coincidences in life." 2. A 10 year old girl releases a balloon which has inside of it a slip of paper with her name on it. The balloon falls to earth many miles away and is found by . . . a ten year old girl of the same exact name.
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