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cardman1990 Regular user 194 Posts |
Maybe a rubber band instead of a hanky?
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Thanx Frank, I understand the thought and it would be a funny comedy-bit.
On 2005-03-30 12:44, Frank Starsini wrote: I htough think one has first verbally to establish going to the backpocket..something like: *Oh is it hard?, hope you don't get nervous, here let me help out, I've a handkerchief here* and then do the dirty work. A handkerchief in the backpocket though might take too much space and being in conflict with the wallet, so one probably should simply have it foldet and over the lining ot the trouserspocket, so half of it when foldet is outside, half inside, BUT, this has to be done/prepared then beforehand, one can't really walk around with a hanky hanging on ones 'belt*..though the problem here I created myself But, not too much room in a backpocket for a hanky and a wallet I suppose? One more thought occured..when one draws out a hanky for that comedy bit, one also has to get rid of it again and this would be a renewed move to the backpocket..not so good then maybe..
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Werner, you could simply us a 9" silk which is very very small.
Unless you're a lot more of a man than me, you'll have room to put it. I don't think getting rid of it is a negative. Or do something funny with it until the end. Put it atop of someone's head during the shuffle. ... or your own. Frank
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Some thoughts re a handling of Steve Drauns RMW
In the following a few thoughts re handling the RMW. Steve Drauns routine using a gamblers cop and his way of loading is very well thought out and I would use similar immediately, IF the problem not was, that both ones trouserspockets have to be empty. This situation never occurs, when working a little 'act' out of ones pockets, especially when not wearing a jacket. Everything Steve Draun does in his handling is extraordinary well thought out and the dirty work covered as good as one can ever cover it, and his handling can even be used without wearing a jacket. I'd like to discuss a minor point in the following, re the *revealing* of the signed card from the wallet.. First let me say, so far, I'll stick to what I described at: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=4056512 re the basic handling I'll intend to use, just for *a start*, I might well alter it later when having gotten some experience re that specific handling I intend to use... Now to the point of this posting. As I'm using the topcardpalm, the card naturally would get inserted in the wallet so the cards back is facing the clear window when the wallet/flap is later opend. Now, my thoughts are, that this actually is a 'feature' instead of a drawback, re revealing the signed card in a moment, and that is, as mentioned the reason I write these lines.. What is your opinion re the following ?? The specs have found out that the selection is missing from the deck and a spec already has the loaded wallet on his palm.. You take the wallet carefully off his hand, open it slowly and delibrately, open the flap and *a* card is to be seen with its back facing the specs view. Look surprised and sceptical. *Oh, what's this ?..a playingcard? ....Well, it can't be the missing card you signed and selected earlier..can it?* Very slowly withdraw it from the wallet, look at it without showing it's face to the specs and act dissapointed,shaking your head.. *No, that would have been real magic...it can't be* *What was the name of your card sir?, doesn't look to me there is a signature on 'this' card?* He names it and you turn it over to show it IS the selected and signed card. He get's it as a souvenir. Now, isn't this handling re first just having *a* card behind the window (a card that could have been there all the time) and then in a moment it turns out to be *the* selected and signed card a bit of a better effect then when the card is visible and shown to be the selection the moment the flap is opend? I mean, a bit of 'drama' and 'doubt' is built up in the above handling which adds to the surprise and effect. What is your opinion? A q. to especially those already using the RMW, but anybodye elses opinion is very welcome..
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Damien New user 9 Posts |
I don't think the card backing face down in the wallet is a bad thing... Werner just presented a reason why it could be an advantage.
Werner do you actually use the RMW? If not who does and does anyone load in their trouser pockets from a cop (front or back pockets) |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
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On 2005-04-07 17:17, Damien wrote: I've just gotten the hip-pocket RMW a few days back, so I haven't yet performed it, need more thoughts and rehearsal before I have a go. I have however performed the breastpocket *Working Performers CTW* ever since around 1976 or so, and mostly with a variation using an envelop. In fact I bought an 'unprepared' version of the well proportioned wallet sold by Ken Brooke and modified it with a zipper to do the envelop-thing..so I've 2 'normal' *Working performers wallets* (Ed Balducci principle) and the modified one, but I like the idea to do the routine without having a jacket on in summer time.. I'm a CTW-buff, so I also have ordered the Malloy wallet to try it out, I love the zipper idea, nevertheless I'll start-up with using the RMW, it's a very well done wallet and the idea of course is to use it as an everyday wallet! I strongly would advice to use the routine supplied by Steve Draun using the gamblers cop, my problem just is that my trouserspocket 'always' are filled with coins, purseframe and stuff, as a 'default', even when not up to doing some magic, I'm always prepared, -just in case- all the time... Living up to Jeff McBrides principle... a magician 24 to 7, or better, the other way around
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Damien New user 9 Posts |
Werner,
I wish I had the cash to try out a variety of wallets!!! When you say you advise using Draun's method which is loading from the cop, can this be done say.... with the wallet in the bak pocket? I have seen him do a card to wallet with a large wallet which was inside his jacket and he used a cop. Just wondering whether this can be applied to other pockets? Damien. |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Yes, Steve Draun does explain and handles it that way and when thinking about it and judging it myself, I solely can agree..it is a good way to do, especially when using his left and right trouserspocket-ruse.
On 2005-04-08 11:55, Damien wrote: That's a stroke of genius! OTOH, Steve Draun does demo the cop-load whilst wearing a jacket and a such does of course cover the cop much more then when working in a shirt and without a jacket, nevertheless even a cop can be covered easily, though NOT with specs at ones back,- all around- it's possible, but difficult. Wearing a jacket makes a 100% cover for the copped card. But, as mentioned, no probs normally in doing it without wearing a jacket..
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Richard Shippy Special user Scottsdale, Arizona 510 Posts |
I just purchased this wallet and I have a question.
Do you use your drivers license as a guide or just try to slide the card in without any guide? Which is the best technique for loading? I am palming the card off the top with a one handed top palm into classic position. I would like to load the wallet which is in my right front pocket. Your suggestions would be very helpful. Thank you, Rich
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." ~ Winston Churchill
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Doomo Inner circle 2365 Posts |
Just a few points ala the RMW. Yes, you can use your drivers license, business card etc as the guide. Yes you can load in the front pants pocket wit a cop move... In fact I was the one who informed Steve it could be done.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I'm using one I found at Wal-mart for $12.00, lol.
But I did gimmick it (very slight alteration is all) and it cand be loaded into the window with a guide and also can be loaded with a no palm technique, similar to the BMK maner. As for this one, I have heard nothing about it aside from what's in this thread. I checked out the site posted earlier, but did not find anything on the wallet itself. Some nice things there though. I would love to see this wallet now.
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Richard Shippy Special user Scottsdale, Arizona 510 Posts |
I am having problems loading from a classic palm position using my license as a guide. Does anyone have any suggestions for loading to the front right pocket in classic palm? Do you release the card from pinkey and transfer to first finger and thumb base?
Help! Kind regards, Rich
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." ~ Winston Churchill
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
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On 2005-04-08 15:38, gdw wrote: :) Enjoy... Eddie Tullock has used a totally unprepared hip pocket wallet for a quart century or more and a such one could be bought for $12 too, I suppose.. Quote: Hmm, actually it is the easiest thing in the world to load from the classicpalm.
On 2005-04-08 15:39, Richard Shippy wrote: Mind you, the wallet eg. the loader has to be close to your body and you load in front of the guide/loader -farest away from the body-, meaning your hand/fingertips with the p****d card simply drops ONTO the guide (like you 'clap' your b*m), and all fingers push the crd down alongst the guide and after it starts to 'be' inside, push the whole set, card plus guide/loader comletely inside by use of the thumb.. Nothing fancy, just place your hand onto the loader, press a bit and push it all down as above described..
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Richard Shippy Special user Scottsdale, Arizona 510 Posts |
Thank you Werner! I'll practice a bit and see if I can get it faster and smoother with less fumbling.
Overall, I think the wallet is great! Thanks again, rich
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." ~ Winston Churchill
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Korhan Regular user Istanbul, Turkey 105 Posts |
I loved my RMW until it cracked my driver's licence. I was keeping it in the secret compartment and use it for loading but the button on the flap is cracked my licence.
Now I hate the flap, maybe I will alter it with a magnet but it won't look as good as it's now. |
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Doug Peters Special user I have a life, so I only have 591 Posts |
I love this wallet...
"if you have any answers, it's time to ask harder questions!"
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Doug Peters Special user I have a life, so I only have 591 Posts |
In fact, I like it so much I put up a (unlisted) Youtube that folks might find interesting...
...a handling with no slide, no fumbling, no heat on the wallet-extraction.
"if you have any answers, it's time to ask harder questions!"
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2005-04-08 15:39, Richard Shippy wrote: Rich, I think you are trying to make a move out of it, once your hand is in your pocket, it is no longer in the p**m position. It will be in the th**b palm position more then anything else. I had a wallet like this years before it was made by the current person. A magician in Detroit invented it and Magic Inc. sold it with a manuscript. Anyway, it had a window on the inside and I use a 52 cards on 1 card. This then was my excuse to go to the pocket. I immediately tell them the card in in my wallet. Go to the pocket and do as mentioned, then open the wallet and show the gag card. Then remove the signed selected card. The originator also had a not palm version, but a coat had to be worn. It used a reel and alligator clip. If you use this while wearing a coat, there is 2 other no palm methods that can be used for the card in wallet. |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
I have this feature built into my Infinity wallet from Alakazam.
The load is always going to be a bit fiddly in a wallet of this size (especially compared to a JOL wallet), but it is possible to get it working smoothly after much experimentation with pocket placement, slide rigidity, palming technique and misdirection though routining. I can hit it perfectly every time out, but it took quite a bit of practice.
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