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mindfreak2.0 Regular user 106 Posts |
Hey everyone,
I recently bought a Chop Cup and was wondering where you would recommend to start learning how to put a solid routine together? Are there any books you would recommend? DVD's? |
Blindside785 Inner circle Olympia, WA 4541 Posts |
I would recommend looking into
Mark James Super Charged Classics vol 1 Paul’s Wilson’s 2nd Penguin lecture And Michael Kaminskas’ Pengiin Lecture That’s really all you’ll need on the subject. Of course you can refer to the Don Alan routine but I learned from the above and if you pick anyone you’ll have a nice routine. |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
You know how it works. Not much to it really. Play with it first before you see too many others. Have fun with it. Experiment with it some and let the prop speak to you.
There is plenty of time to explore the work of others. But once you have there is no way to go back to a time before you did. That is when we are MOST creative! Don't rob yourself of this privilege of learning. Too many magicians do and I believe to the detriment of the art. Just a thought.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
peppermeat2000 Elite user 428 Posts |
Danny gives great advice. I have found myself becoming overloaded with other magician's ideas/ routines when looking for help in the presentation of a classic effect (Cups and Balls, Linking Rings, Egg Bag, and of course the Chop Cup). It usually ends up with me toying with the props and finding what is comfortable for me to manage without a proper routine. Examples include what's the best way for me to fake a placement of a ball under a cup, what size rings feel right, does an egg need to be the object used with an egg bag, and how do I best use misdirection during a final load.
I then search out the most basic presentations possible, practice until they are ready for performance, and then test drive them for real world audiences. Sometimes it's surprising to witness reactions to the classics (or any other piece of magic) that has been fine tuned to the barest of moves and sequences. Magician's who sell routines often add unnecessary moves and sequences that are designed to intrigue other magicians, but can sometimes confuse, and even bore, short attention spanned laymen. The reason Don Alan is my favorite close-up magician is due to his streamlined-get to the point routines along with his expert and hilarious presentations. Check out his Chop Cup routine once you feel you have gotten to know your prop. |
AndyMo805 New user San Luis Obispo, CA 43 Posts |
Kinda late to the party... but I just got the Penguin Lecture from Michael O'Brian. He's got an excellent Chop Cup routine there.
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Eddie Torres Special user New York City 692 Posts |
When I was first learning to do the chop cup, I just watched the Don Alan routine a bunch of times and tried to recreate it. After a few months of performing it 30 times a night it started becoming its own thing. I never bought any material on the chop cup. Just some imitation and some trial and error.
Eddie Ivan Torres
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
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On Dec 11, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote: I love this advice. When I first started magic, I would do the routine with the instructions that came with the trick, or straight from a book. I wasn't confident in myself to try doing anything original..really stymied my development, and robbed me of a lot of the joy I have now when I'm noodling around with ideas.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3086 Posts |
Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
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madmalone New user 54 Posts |
Craig Petty have some detail work on it.
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