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Chaikuni New user 74 Posts |
Spiritual realization can be expressed through Jesus burnt into toast. So I have no doubts people get something out of psychic readings or shamanic surgeries.
I personally am not interested in guiding people spiritually - but I think it's relevant to my content to talk about things I find to distract people from the more legitimate forms of Yoga that will truly bring them to a sense of clarity, instead of mudding their waters. I get asked daily to talk about the topic of crystal healing or the spiritual surgeries (which I've made videos about and my intuition says these things will more than likely stray you from genuine self-inquriry and lead you down a path of superstition.) I want to learn these things so I can speak about them from a place of knowing and authority instead of just babbling on about how I simply don't believe in them. I want to show that it's possible to achieve these same things with sleight of hand and without being a guru, spiritual guide, or shaman. I also have an interest in showmanship and entertainment, as it's what my entire career is based off on some level, and this knowledge will enhance that. And my response to your suggestion about Jacquin was that I've recently started reading his book Reality is Plastic and I thanked you for the suggestion. I'm not sure why that is a red flag. My responses may be impatient because everyone here seems to be attacking me with some suspicion, even to the point of sending me private messages. Like you implying my "thank you for the nice words, curious to see how this works practically" is a red flag of some sort. I'm sorry if I don't understand the forum etiquette. I was just curious to ask for suggestions and thought this site was the place to go. With love |
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Sean Mann Regular user Essex, UK 159 Posts |
I would start by appealing to other authorities on the subject. Professor Richard Wiseman has a decent book on the skeptical side of the supernatural, Paranormality: The Science of the Supernatural, as does the aforementioned James Randi. Put it this way, I don't have to be a footballer to know how the game is played.
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Rhewin Loyal user 250 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2021, Chaikuni wrote: It’s not about clutching at our “holy books.” Mentalism only works because the public at large is unaware of our methods. You’ll find most mentalists to be wary any time there’s talk about warning the public. Guys like Randi and Banachek perform the feats with great skill but never discuss how it’s actually done. However, imitators with the best of intentions unwittingly expose through poor performances. If your end goal is to do what they do, start by learning to be convincing. The only reason Banachek can speak with authority is his skill. People, scientists, really did believe he could do all sorts of things just with his mind. IMO, no mentalist has any business debunking psychic powers, ESP, or anything of the like unless they can perform at that level. Until then, humbly assert that what you do is not supernatural, though you can’t speak for others. |
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Chaikuni New user 74 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2021, Rhewin wrote: I've got a pretty good understanding on some of the methods already, which perhaps I've understated, despite saying I've been reading this forum since I was a kid. I have a video doing a "psychic reading" years ago on my YouTube channel, with the content I've learned from this forum, in the context of showing it can be done without being psychic. So I'm not just stumbling into this blindly, which maybe my introduction suggested. I'm personally not interested in claiming the title of a mentalist. I host a travel channel and podcast that goes deeply into spiritual traditions and it's relevant for me to speak about this from an objective view as I don't see anyone else in my little community talking about it from this perspective. If anything I see my peers selling $1000 courses on how to enlighten yourself or get 'abundance' by paying them for tricks of the universe. I do appreciate your sentiment though and understand where you're coming from. I'm happy to continue reading from a far and stop asking for suggestions as I've appeared to have asked the wrong way. Cheers |
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Rhewin Loyal user 250 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2021, Chaikuni wrote: That makes it more clear to me at a least. It did sound like you were coming into this with no background other than reading the forum occasionally. If you like hypno effects and propless mentalism, Pete Turner has a lot of material out. He is extremely detailed and I've found him to be accessible. His PDFs on Penguin are good, and he's released a couple of kits on Ellusionist. He doesn't go into a ton of theory; in general he focuses more on being confident that things work rather than why it works. If you like the sort of stuff Derren Brown got famous for, Pete covers similar methods. |
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Matt Pulsar Inner circle 1130 Posts |
“I also have an interest in showmanship and entertainment, as it's what my entire career is based off on some level, and this knowledge will enhance that.”
Got it! Thanks for this clarification. There are many lifetimes worth of wonderful learning to light this path and you will find a lot here to enhance this. Blessed be!
Belief Manifests Reality.
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Djin Regular user 191 Posts |
It sounds like you have a grasp of where to start looking at the sorts of mentalism and hypnosis principles that are sometimes used to create fake phenomenon. I'd like to add some thoughts on the nature of fraud.
The perpetrator doesn't make the mark believe, the mark fools themself. That is every bit as true of spiritual frauds as it is of financial frauds. The victim of a Ponzi scheme makes themself believe because they want to get rich. Likewise, the seeker believes in the psychic phenomenon because on some level they need to. This brings me to an important point on the danger of this line of thought and action. If you see someone falling for a phony miracle and you show them how a similar effect might be created, they won't snap to their senses and they surely won't thank you. They are more likely to reject you as an enemy. You aren't (in their eye) protecting them from harm, you are trying to get between them and the piece of serenity that is missing from their soul. I respect and admire what you are trying to do. That said, tread lightly my friend. While we here may get a bit prickly about who wants to know what and why, those you seek to reach may well be a whole lot more hostile when you reach them. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Chaikuni, you seem to feel that all demonstrations of "other than normal" abilities are scams or based on trickery - or something you can learn.
You may be risking tossing out the baby with the bath water. If you succeed in convincing your followers that all psychic and paranormal are fake then you deprive them of any authentic experience. Yes, it may be fine to council being wary of fraud, but the balance should be in recognizing authentic unusual abilities -- often by folks who don't charge, preach or claim anything. Perhaps you might define what you mean by 'psychic' or why learning to "pretend at" is a goal. Why "psychic like" as a limiting factor? Why would demonstrating that a phenomenon can be faked disprove that it can be done legitimately too? Ask you group how many have ever purchased something for an unsolicited pop-up ad or robo-phone call. If they have, why are they concerned over a possibly fraudulent psychic or guru?
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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bubbles New user The 5th Dimension 99 Posts |
"Spiritual realization can be expressed through Jesus burnt into toast. So I have no doubts people get something out of psychic readings or shamanic surgeries.
I personally am not interested in guiding people spiritually - but I think it's relevant to my content to talk about things I find to distract people from the more legitimate forms of Yoga that will truly bring them to a sense of clarity, instead of mudding their waters. I get asked daily to talk about the topic of crystal healing or the spiritual surgeries (which I've made videos about and my intuition says these things will more than likely stray you from genuine self-inquriry and lead you down a path of superstition.) I want to learn these things so I can speak about them from a place of knowing and authority instead of just babbling on about how I simply don't believe in them. I want to show that it's possible to achieve these same things with sleight of hand and without being a guru, spiritual guide, or shaman. I also have an interest in showmanship and entertainment, as it's what my entire career is based off on some level, and this knowledge will enhance that." I really didn't imagine I'd side with a youtuber looking for inside info, but, here it is. I find content creator culture vapid and gross, but I think Chaikuni is pretty spot on in his words and intentions. I'm gonna give your channel a watch Chaikuni! Good luck in your search! |
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gregg webb Inner circle 1564 Posts |
Be as convincing as you can be ON STAGE, then at the end or in your program, at the end, put a disclaimer. My favorite guy at the moment is Derren Brown. His disclaimer is that he uses all of his normal senses only to create the feats he shows. Also, if interviewed for a newspaper or magazine...definitely go with the disclaimer angle. But while on stage be great. With closeup readings...go with the thing some astrologers say, "The stars impel, they do not compel". The future is not carved in stone, but forewarned is forearmed, those things and common sense. Don't offer medical advice, or talk about conspiracies, (or religion or politics). In other words...there are so many conspiracy theories out there now, let's not become like Russia where people sell psychic water on the street corners. They make mystic passes over a bottle of water then claim it is "charged" and then they charge a bundle for it. It will supposedly cure anything. Yes I was friends with the Amazing R
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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts |
"In other words...there are so many conspiracy theories out there now, let's not become like Russia where people sell psychic water on the street corners. They make mystic passes over a bottle of water then claim it is "charged" and then they charge a bundle for it. It will supposedly cure anything"
Would you get out of the garden! What kind of ****e are you spouting there. Where is your evidence to back up this hyperbole? Let me let you in on a little fact - you don't have to go to Russia to see people selling psychic water as you put it. Call into any Catholic church anywhere in the world and have a look at the display that meets you at the front entrance, and expects you to bless yourself with it! There's the psychic water you speak of. I have been to Russia innumerable times and I have never encountered what you claim. When is the last time, and where did you see this happening in Russia?
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
Yep, don't need to travel to Russia for miracle water when we have good old Peter Popoff...
https://www.truthinadvertising.org/peter......g-water/ |
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Stmarkus Regular user Puerto Rico 131 Posts |
Curiously, Chaikuni, do you have an act, or as you say you’re interested in entertainment, do you perform live and in person? If so , in what venues and in what country? Or does your activity consist of only YouTube and social media?
Mark |
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
“I want to show that it's possible to achieve these same things with sleight of hand and without being a guru, spiritual guide, or shaman.”
How will you be showing this exactly? By performing and or explaining? If its performing you better be great or you will be unintentionally exposing. These methods take much time, skill and showmanship to perfect to the level you want to use them for? If its explaining, then that's a fine line, how will you do that exactly without tipping methods? Interesting… You can see why you are getting some raised eyebrows, regardless of your good intentions? Don't look at my website you might turn into a black goat Or you might realize there is a entertainment factor that requires no disclaimer other than what you wish to believe. And many would believe the goat. I wouldn't spend anytime explaining that on social but some might. Its not always about the scammers, sometimes its simply what you choose to believe that will cost you more.
THE SUPERNATURAL ILLUSIONIST & EFFECTS CREATOR WWW.MRDARKNESS.COM
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mel1601 New user 2 Posts |
Quote: What is your utube channel
On Dec 14, 2021, Chaikuni wrote: |
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Rhewin Loyal user 250 Posts |
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On Dec 26, 2021, mel1601 wrote: It was already posted in the topic... https://www.youtube.com/user/dakotawint/featured |
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