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davidmagic
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His chop cup routine is covered in A Class by Himself. Does the materail in the new booklet differ greatly from Rachenbaumer's write-up? If so, how?
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I must be behind the times. Is there a new booklet covering Don Alan's routine? It was originally published for the unbelieveably high price of fifty cents by Magic Inc. A manuscript I still have.

Mr. Alan's routine really has stayed the same for years and years, and while I actually hate the "Class by Himself" book, which is merely a written version of the much preferred video by Steven's Magic. I can't say there would be much more to the routine.

The video does cover the load which is a toss action and the reasoning behind slamming the cup against the edge of the table.
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I have all of the above. When I saw the preview copy of the booklet and read through the routine, I realized how much had been left out of all of the previous versions. The sources of all of that material are given, and the complete logic behind the loading. Also the placement of the loads as it relates to the patter, and one very significant detail that I have never seen before anywhere.

I'll just put it this way. I discovered the same thing by accident while working the Renaissance Festival and it eliminated a lot of fumbling.

I should also add that there is a bit of historical info that did not appear elsewhere, as well.
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Bill,

Is this the Ron Bauer version you are talking about? kirk
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I don't know of any other new booklet out except for R.B.'s "The Complete Don Alan's Chop Cup"; it's one of the latest P.S. booklet's. Usually they are around 25 pages or so in length.

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Yes, this is the Ron Bauer book that I am talking about.
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Yo can download a video with DON ALAN performing his famous Chop Routine here:

http://www.mastermagic.info/images/Don_Alan.rm (File size: 5 Mb)

(Right click this link and click on "Save target as...")

This is a good free Video Player for this video file:
http://www.divx-digest.com/software/medi......sic.html

Enjoy!
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On 2005-01-25 14:04, Kjellstrom wrote:
Yo can download a video with DON ALAN performing his famous Chop Routine here:

http://www.mastermagic.info/images/Don_Alan.rm (File size: 5 Mb)



Great video! Thanks for posting!
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Nice clip. Note: The entire routine took 1-minute and 23-seconds.
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Pete!

That is a very good note!

A ten minute routine with every bell and whistle tossed doesn't make it good.
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I plan on buying a Little Don from RNTII that comes with the little handheld booklet describing Don Alan's routine. I have the Steven's tape already. Is the Ron Bauer version worth an additional $15? Does the Bauer book give any advice for converting the routine to a stand-up version?
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On 2005-01-26 13:37, Pete Biro wrote:
Nice clip. Note: The entire routine took 1-minute and 23-seconds.


No, 1-minute and 23.3-seconds !
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On 2005-01-26 15:39, bama gambler wrote:
I plan on buying a Little Don from RNTII that comes with the little handheld booklet describing Don Alan's routine. I have the Steven's tape already. Is the Ron Bauer version worth an additional $15? Does the Bauer book give any advice for converting the routine to a stand-up version?

I've waited until the Mini Don in Copper is ready for delivery and so ordered the Ron Bauer booklet at the same time.
It's ready for delivery now..

The Ron Bauer booklet -no doubt- is worth every single cent, because it gives insight in the thoughts of Don Alan, when he created his routine during the years and finally settled for one presentation.

There most certainly is not any advice re a stand-up version, as this bookled solely deals with don Alans 'default' handling and that was sitting at a table.

One can somehow compare the effectiveness of the advantage of sitting at a table with the work of Tony Slydini.

There are much more options to do 'magic' deceptive when sitting.
The Stevens tape will teach how to do the routine and what it doesn't teach re the handling one can get from the tape too by watching Don do the routine..
It's all there, the timing, when to look at the specs, aso. all the important details.

What the tape however didn't cover are the more hidden thoughts behind the routine, the reasoning for why to do what at a certain stage and the developing of the routine.
Now, it is not my intention to 'copy' Don Alans routine, neither should anybody else.

The reason I want to read and study the booklet is to try to understand Don Alans approach and development of this routine.
One might get an idea or 2 one can use in ones own routine one hopefully alreday does.

I don't intend to change any of the technics I use, I neither intend to use any of the patter Don Alan used (also it is the best), but I might get an idea -out of his reasoning- 'what' to say and for what reason at certain stages.

This means to me to adapt it to what I alreday do, not using his wordings, but adapting the reason and the meaning of his wordings to something I certainly could improve.

I've -at a convention- seen a guy do an exact copy of Don Alans routine, incl. his patter and even if he used the patter and tried to do Dons moves, he did it very badly..
The tining was missing, the moves where badly executed aso.

Nobody can do it like Don Alan, after all it reperesented 30 years of working with that cup.

That guy, at the convention, did get 1st prize in close-up for solely routines he had copied from other performers, the innocent judges lacking knowlede of all this didn't know better.

If I had been in the jury, he would have gotten neither the 1st, 2nd, nor 3d prize, a copyist shouldn't get any price at all, other then the *prize of shame*..

So in answer to your question.

Get that booklet of Ron Bauer, he knows what he talks about and he also f.ex. did -amongst many others- the Don Alan version of his Devano Rising Cards routine..all this with permission and with coperation of Don Alan.

I've at least half a dozen diff. captures of Don Alan doing this routines at diff. shows on TV, as well as the Stevns tape and the book Jon Racherbaumer published re Dons work, as well as I do have the smal booklet accompanying RNT IIs Chop Cup describing Don Alans routine.
Nevretheless I HAVE to have the Ron Bauer booklet too, for the reason I explained above.
Anybody doing the Chop Cup, one way or another, should get that booklet and study Dons thoughts.
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There is one tiny detail in the Ron Bauer book that isn't ANYWHERE else that I know of. I won't tip it here. When you see it, you will think "Duh! Why didn't I think of that?"
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I’m glad that there is finally something in print giving Don Alan’s personal insight regarding his magic, unfortunately that is what “In a Class By Himself: The Legacy Of Don Alan” lacked most of all- Don Alan’s personal thought process & insight. I’ve been (like many other’s) forced to try & understand Don by watching him on his TV appearances, and video from my library.

Werner had some great points about the Stevens Magic VHS tape. If anyone out there is serious about getting the most out of studying Don Alan’s material, I’d read the review by Michael Close in the April 2001 issue of Magic Magazine (Look under the Market Place column, pg 33-36). Michael gives great insight with questions and answer’s by comparing the Stevens tape, and the Racherbaumer book. The review helped me, and probably will help every student that really doesn’t know much about Don Alan or his material.

As someone said above, it’s a great deal for only $15.

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I've just got the booklet. I think it is a must have. Everything is covered. And Ron Bauer knows what writing is all about. It doesn't get any better than this, in my opinion.
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It's a very good booklet at a very fair price. Honestly, what I like the best about it is the history. I just love the way that he traces the evolution of this cup.
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The history of the cup was great reading, and Bill was right on with his comment regarding "Duhh; Why didn't I think of that". I think this booklet should be on everyone's shelf who is interested in the cups and balls. It's a great piece of history, and it's affordable.

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That video clip rocked!
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