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montserat_13 New user San diego 16 Posts |
Hi guys, I'm new in this field. I already check out Capricornian Tales and I think it's great. I'm considering buying Swami./Mantra from Elmwoodmagic.com. What do you think of it..? any other books that you guys can suggest ?
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Avrakdavra Loyal user The Pine Tree State, USA 224 Posts |
Caleb Strange has compiled some good links for beginners--have a look:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......4&21 |
calexa Inner circle Germany 1635 Posts |
There are a lot of books you can have a look at. You said you liked "Capricornian Tales". So you can read for example books from Borodin or Punx. Maybe you like "Life, Death & other card tricks" by Robert Neale - card tricks with a story around the routine. But you should be able to do some card moves...
Oh, and then try booklets from Shiels and Cameron - these booklets are cheap and you can read some pretty weird stories.... Magixx Oh, and havea look at this website: http://www.online-visions.com/bizarre Magixx
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Allan Olive Regular user Charlotte 180 Posts |
I've got a copy of Swami Mantra and it does have some pretty good items in it. Most I would never try. Some I have to great effect. There are a lot of effects printed in the book, but if I remember correctly, not a lot of patter or story, just a brief description of the effect and then right in a quick how to.
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Magickman Elite user St.Petersburg, Fl. 402 Posts |
Anything buy Tony Andruzzi and Doc Shiels!
Van Warren's At the Gates of Wyrd (rune effects) Jim Magus, Mystery of the Runes, Turn of a friendy card(tarot), Tales from the talking board. Docc Hilford's Band of the hand, $1000 seance, Cassandra deck (Dvd) Anything by Mark Strivings and that's just for starters! Magickman
What man knows he calls Science
What he has yet to learn he calls Magick Both are real! _Tony Andruzzi_ |
Black Hart Elite user Scottish Highlands 475 Posts |
Black Artefacts, manufacturer and dealer of weird, bizarre and psychic magic: www.blackhart.co.uk
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calexa Inner circle Germany 1635 Posts |
Is Tony Shiels really for beginners? I have read "13", "Something strange" and "Doppelgaengers" and I don´t think this is for beginners.
Magixx
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3908 Posts |
Another question is: "Is Bizarre Magic really for beginners ?"
At my opinion, you should first master the basics (and more) of classical magic, close-up and mentalism before trying something as difficult as good bizarre storytelling magic. |
beyrevra Regular user 107 Posts |
I agree completely with the words of Mr Christian Chelman. This form of magic is really not made for the beginners. Here the artist must have very great experience with the public and especially the smell of the theatre and the storyteller. A beginner could only make himself ridiculous. Bizarre magick it is not magic for Halloween, with a skull out of plastic and the routine of the four aces with a tarot!
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calexa Inner circle Germany 1635 Posts |
You must like to talk, if you want to perform bizarre magic. A lot of guys I know use their cards or coins to speak.
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FrOrgenLaVey New user México 6 Posts |
Well in my humble opinnion, I think that bizarre magick can be somewhat dangerous for a beginner. but there is only one way to become an expert practice so don't be discourage by what I've just said and give it a go, you might surprise yourself and your audience, just remember the worst thing that can hapen to a Mage is to meet with a demon he di not summonned.
so mote it be!!!!!!!!!!
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Osiris Special user 610 Posts |
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On 2005-01-26 13:26, calexa wrote: I hope this don't result in a flame war... I've made similar observations in the past about Peter (who I happen to like) and folks just took it wrong. Please know that I'm not demeaning Peter when I say that what he offers is just one side of Bizarre Magick. Unfortunately, it falls into a niche that many of the more "dark" performers (those seeking a greater degree of "realism" in what they do), view as being "Corn" or "Clown-Bizarre". Clown Bizarre, in many ways, was the "original" mode of Bizarre Magick. Typically a performer working in this vein sought to create a comical look at "the dark side" and things sublime. Many of these performers, like Dayton, Ohio's Berry Hobart, dress in "Drag" (or "Drac" as the case would be) e.g. they have a gholish appearance of some form. Their material was "cute" and general "light" and held to the classic magician's agreement with the audience e.g. they knew it was a trick and intended for their amusement. There is another form of Bizarre Magick however, that some refer to as being the "Truest" mode e.g. those that have adopted the Mentalist's philosophy are invoking "Belief" from the audience. Though this may be established as a "Theatrical" sense of belief, the psychological difference means the world. It allows the performer to use some of the most subtle of effects so as to create what Rick Maue refered to as "Cerebral Magick" or "Psychological Impact" as the case would be. In other words, the patrons of such programs leave with a strange "after taste" in their minds, not knowing for certain if what they've experienced was real or not. This is a classic syndrome created by yesteryear Mentalists (and some of todays performers as well.) I keep referring to Mentalism in this latter example and there is a reason for this. You see, this second form of Bizarre Magick is closely related to Mentalism and frequently you will find Bizarrist that lean heavily on this alternate side of the craft. Especially those that specialise in Seance or Spirit type programs (which is another core area from whence the entire Bizarre Magick trend evolved from.) Regardless the "style" you present what it important is to remember that Bizarre Magick is 110% THEATER and more important, it is Interactive Theater. If you want to be good in this field take some acting classes and learn about staging, psychology, and the effective use of words, touch, sound, smell, etc. Like I said, the "truests" of this kindred craft have learned the truth behind the adage that "Less is more"... when you can get people to wet themeselves doing a Ring Off Chord routine (Rick Maue's "DEMON RING" -- Book of Haunted Magick), then you know that you've achieved perfection. Best of luck! |
Bill Fienning Special user 635 Posts |
For me, the master of the bizarre magic genre was Tony Andruzzi. I know there are others of great skill in this field, but Andruzzi was the one whose performances I saw first.
Andruzzi played the Mage 24/7. He was always "on." Because I play a variety of different characters, I cannot be always "on" for all of them. Besides that, as one who held a Top Secret level security clearance for 35 years, I could not be too weird when not performing. Still, some of my co-workers thought me a little different from the usual. You need to be comfortable with the world of magic and have some experience in it before diving into the bizarre. I suppose that someone with exceptional acting abilities might be able to pull it off sooner, but that would be unusual. A very practical reason for getting a firm grounding in conventional magic is that bizarre magic texts do not explain every move and sleight in detail, if at all. Most bizarrist authors assume that you already have a magical back ground. Most bizarrists like to work out the details in their own way to personalize the effect.
Bill Fienning
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Gandalf the Wizard New user 90 Posts |
[quote]On 2005-02-02 10:50, Osiris wrote:
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Bizarre Magick is 110% THEATER Yes and No, magic should not be a performance, but a logical consequence of the inner experience. The art-magic, should be the magician's reflection of the internal world, it should not be the actor doing magician's role, but the magician doing his role, being a wizard. Is my opinion Gandalf P.S. Where is possible buying Van Warren's book "At The Gates of Wyrd"? |
ptbeast Special user Oregon 831 Posts |
A couple of issues in this thread that I would like to address.
First off, I am of two minds about the whole idea of when/how to come to bizarre magic. Make no mistake bizarre is hard. The performer must master not only the technical effect, but acting and storytelling as well. For that reason it requires far more practice and rehearsal. That said, I would not discourage someone whose interest in magic was sparked by the bizarre from heading down that road. I began in "classical" magic as a kid but gave it up for many years. It was only after I discovered bizarre magic that my interest in rekindled. I don't think that a person needs to be sentenced to a purgatory of performing comedy magic and sucker tricks then graduate to the type of magic that they really want to perform. On-the-other-hand, they should enter into the pursuit with their eyes wide open, knowing that more time and effort are going to be necessary to develop into a competent performer. The other point that I wanted to bring up is that I think that we, in this forum, tend to be very judgmental. When I first came here, we tended to judge and criticize non-bizarrists. There were constant posts about how superior bizarre magic was when compared to the rest of the magic community. Those have mostly died off. What I see now are deep divides among the bizarre community. As the definition of "bizarre" has evolved and expanded various performers have gravitated to their own little niche. We criticize each other because our magic is too dark, or not dark enough. Too real, or not real enough. Because we use disclaimer, or we don't. Because we use comedy, or we don't. Because we perform for children, or we don't. Perhaps because some of those who popularized bizarre magic also discussed the philosophy behind it in great detail (Eugene Burger, for example) performers in this area seem to be more proselytizing than in any other area I have seen. Perhaps, at least for many, that is part of the attraction. It just seems to me that we can be critical of each other so that we may grow in our art, without being demeaning or just plain mean. I'm sorry. Maybe I am the only one who senses this. Maybe I just got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. In any case, I will get off my soap box now. Dave |
calexa Inner circle Germany 1635 Posts |
This is a very interesting discussion....
Magixx
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Slim Price Inner circle 1935 - 2006 1326 Posts |
About Swami/Mantra... A lot of people I have seen don't seem to know the contents. There are many magic tricks, as well as what is erroniously called "Geek Magic" (sideshow oriented) While I often use it for reference, much in it is lacking in detail and it often states methods that are outdated and/or downright dangerous. It is not a Bible... In the same vein is Tahir Shah's book " The Sorcerer's Apprentice."
Slim Price
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The Curator V.I.P. Beware Vampire, I have 3908 Posts |
Magic is theatre. A good actor may be able to play comedy and drama.
I make a living with magic, but I perform both close-up and bizarre magic with the same "success". Bizarre magic is more and more an open state of mind to reinterpret classical magic. I have to tell you that my most cherished bizarre magic routine is ... the cups and balls. |
enriqueenriquez Inner circle New York 1287 Posts |
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On 2005-02-04 03:33, The Curator wrote: That’s beautiful! |
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