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mghia Veteran user Kymystical 387 Posts |
Soaking latex in Naptha will make it grow. That is how I would enlarge my thumb cast. Like said, there are plenty of tips on the market to really spend the time figuring out your own. At one convention they had more sizes than I ever saw before. I can not remember the dealer who had them.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2002-09-18 05:14, Devils Advocaat wrote: Looks Like his problem was not the size of his thumb but his in-ability to present the vanishing silk properly. He then blames the TT on his clumsy ability to not have practiced the effect enough to cover all accisents. Oh well, we had some good advice on TT anyway. |
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GaMBiT_101 Regular user Adelaide 135 Posts |
Try going to a plastics Fabricator, you might be able to cast your own, but the tone would be the hard part.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
I agree -- mixing paint to get just the right shade would be a bummer...
However, there's about a gazillion shades of face powder at the local drugstore, one of which is bound to match the skin tone on your thumb. If you paint the thing a standard flesh tone from a hobby or art supply store, and then sprinkle just the right shade of face powder on it before it dries, you can come amazingly close.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24314 Posts |
See if you can find an old metal Goblin Tube tip. They can be formed to fit your thumb. Remember, it doesn't have to go very far on to your thumb to do the job -- just enough to keep it from falling off.
Mid-America Magic used to make a tapered one that would fit almost any thumb. Check with Joe Stevens to see if he has any.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Goblin TT are still made by Morrissey Magic in Aluminum. Vernet's long TT is the same thing.
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ncsteve Veteran user North Carolina 313 Posts |
I'd like to learn to make my own not only to save money but also to have different (& perfectly matched) TT's for different purposes.
I hope we can avoid any more posts here about how a TT can be made of a material that shines so brightly it will permanently blind you to look at it directly (at least without protective glasses). . I do feel it's worthwhile to warn the new guys that a perfect match isn't really needed but I also feel they've been sufficiently notified by now. If not here it is- A sorry & ugly TT can be made to work 100% of the time & amaze laymen with the right handling BUT I wonder if one that matched your thumb perfectly could'nt work almost as well. Maybe I'm crazy but I wonder too if it might do it even better? Maybe it would allow convincers that were never possible before. NCSteve PS-I've wondered this also: How much would a TT be worth if you were the only guy on the planet that had ever heard of one? Think about this question for a moment. If you avoid the best known TT tricks (that the magic stores push & expose/prostitute to everyone with 10 bucks ie, vanishing cigarette, silk ect) this is the point of view that laymen have about this device. When I was bartending I showed the salt trick to a guy that was amazed & impressed. He amazed me also by talking about how he bought a crappy trick at the beach that used a fake thumb to make a silk or cigarette vanish. (well who the hell would fall for something as stupid as that?!):-) |
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Mystician Inner circle Wallachia 3485 Posts |
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PS-I've wondered this also: How much would a TT be worth if you were the only guy on the planet that had ever heard of one? Think about this question for a moment. If you avoid the best known TT tricks (that the magic stores push & expose/prostitute to everyone with 10 bucks ie, vanishing cigarette, silk ect) this is the point of view that laymen have about this device. When I was bartending I showed the salt trick to a guy that was amazed & impressed. He amazed me also by talking about how he bought a crappy trick at the beach that used a fake thumb to make a silk or cigarette vanish. (well who the hell would fall for something as stupid as that?!):-) LOL That story is gold ! Good viewpoint, too. I learned a few good things from this thread. You can count me as one of those guys who feels that TT's should be as realistic as possible, but also realizes that once it's loaded, if it's still on your thumb, it's not gonna look quite as convincing anymore, and some concealment is a must. So acrylic paint is best for plastic and rubber then ?
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AlmostAmazingJames New user 80 Posts |
I've seen an advertisement, I think on hocus-pocus.com For a kit for making your own tt. I think you make a mold at home and you send it back and they cast it out of latex and paint it based on a picture of your skin.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Yes, I have seen the ad for the realistic TT. It cost $75. Way out of the range of many of the posters on the Café. When I read that everything is to expensive. Just wrap layer of package sealing tape on your thumb. The tape that you wet with water.
Or make it the way Vernet does. Hire a tool and die maker to make you a mold. This will cost you $100,000. Then buy a plastic mold machine. This will cost you $800,000. Now you can mold all the matching TT you want. If you perform the effect correctly, noone should even see the TT. Not even you. Make sure the silk in entirely within the TT before removing you thumb from your fist. The TT should not be completely on your thumb, only up to the end of the nail. I think Vernet used my thumb as a mold, it matches perfectly. Every wrinkle is the same, even the nail. Strange! |
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Mystician Inner circle Wallachia 3485 Posts |
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On 2005-01-02 00:08, wmhegbli wrote: That's not a bad idea !! Color isn't too far off. If I wanted to get fancier, I'd add some liquid latex in the water maybe.. Quote:
If you perform the effect correctly, noone should even see the TT. Not even you. Make sure the silk in entirely within the TT before removing you thumb from your fist. The TT should not be completely on your thumb, only up to the end of the nail. I understand the premise behind this, and partly agree, but then again I disagree. (Sorry if that sounded like Kerry ;-) ba dum dum ) When done the way you describe, I think it's got elements of a hustle. You are hiding an apenddage from the spectators at all times. Even if they don't consciously register that they've never seen your thumb, I think sub-consciously, a lot of people know something is hidden, they never saw your hands in their entirety. That's okay if it works anyway, but wouldn't it be even better if you could boldly show your hands ? Wouldn't that seem even *more* magical, and less of a "hustle" ? Let's never get to the point where we feel something can't or shouldn't be improved upon. Quote:
I think Vernet used my thumb as a mold, it matches perfectly. Every wrinkle is the same, even the nail. Strange! I dunno, I feel the same way. I put mine in hot water but nothing changed because it didn't need to. They're almost perfect. Even the skin tone is the best I've seen yet, on any hard TT. Those things rock, and can be had for as little as two bucks, or even less used. Just out of curiousity, I got one of those "In your Face" TT from a certain dealer a while ago, and discovered that I prefer the vernet *by far* . For starters, the IYF model was much too dark, which really defeats the whole purpose and philosophy of a "in your face" TT, doesn't it ? I actually returned it. Not worth $15, no way. As far as detailing goes, it barely had more than the vernet already does. I am now awaiting on an order of a "thumbzup", just to see, but overall, I can be very happy with vernets.
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James Bateman New user 71 Posts |
I saw Jim pace fool a whole roomful of magicians by doing regular tt tricks (like vanishing a hank) using a fingertip. I think he used it on his index finger. So, if your tt (that your thumb is too large for) fits on your index finger, you're in business. You can do a lot of the same tricks that you can do with a tt on your thumb, and you'll get to fool magicians too. That's got to be worth something!
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GuySavoie Loyal user Tampa, FL 242 Posts |
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On 2005-01-02 00:08, wmhegbli wrote: I can't say this isn't the costs associated with Vernet's work, but I can honestly say I'm scratching my head trying to figure out where you got those numbers, and how you could even approach those costs. What kind of mold cost him $100,000? I can hire TWO tool and die makers at US salaries for a YEAR in my area, and have them on staff for the 360 days left after they've spent a week creating my mold. (My father in law was a tool and die maker for 50 years, btw.) I'm sure you could find a plastic molding machine at $800,000, but I daresay there are cheaper alternatives that can mass produce a product identical to the Vernet. What kind of molding machine are we talking about? If anyone wants a cheaper solution for a higher grade product, my company sells industrial CNC cutting and welding lasers that are used for high volume automotive, defense, and aerospace work. Our biggest 6 axis lasers can cut through 3/4" stainless steel at 240 inches per minute, and our biggest two story tall laser booth (with a 20 FOOT Y axis and a 12 foot Z axis!) can be yours for just under $600,000. You could buy one of my machines and go into the stainless steel, 3D CNC thumb business and save yourself $300,000! After turning out 60,000 the first month, you could always use it to make yourself a jet turbine, or a full size tank for the kids to play with, or cut out an entire new car to drive to the bank with your profits! --- Guy |
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