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I'm trying to come up with some new themes, plots and patter for some of my favorite effects. I love the jumping knot but have never loved the storyline I used.

I have a couple ideas. I just found this wonderful resource (Magic Café) and thought I would give it a try. I am also seeking better themes for children for a few other effects. The first is the PomPoms (stick with four pom poms attached by string, each causes the others to move). Second is... I'll stop there for now.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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For children programs I wrote a piece of story magic for the Pom Pom Pole. It's the story of a grumpy king and his beautiful daughter. The children repeat the words, "Beautiful Daughter!" everytime I point at them.

Here's the story:

There once lived this grumpy king who had a (point and the kids yell, "Beautiful Daughter") and the (point) was very beautiful. No one could marry the (point) unless they could fool the king 3 times with a magic trick.

Well there lived in the kingdom a young magician who loved the (point) so as it would happen...one day there was a knock on the castle door. The King said, "Who is it?" (Very gruff!) The young magician said, "I'm here to marry your (point). The King said, "No way! Not unless you can fool me 3 times with a magic trick!"

(Introduce Pom Pom Pole)
(M) "I have a trick right here sir! It's a stick with a red pom pom, green pom pom, yellow pom pom and a blue pom pom. If I pull the red pom pom, the blue pom pom over here goes up. How does it work?"

(K) "Ah! That's easy! The red pom pom and the blue pom pom are hooked together!

(M) "No sir, see the blue pom pom is hooked to the yellow pom pom above it! I fooled you once and I'm going to marry your (point)" "Now for my second trick: If I pull the green pom pom the blue pom pom goes right up!"

(K) "I know how that works! The green pom pom and the blue pom pom are hooked together!"

(M) "No sir, see the green pom pom is hooked to the red pom pom under it! I fooled you twice and I'm going to marry your (point)"

(K) "Well, you won't fool me a third time because I'm gonna cheat!" With that he pulled both the red and blue pom poms at the same time. It looked like he had broken the stick. (Tear stick in half showing nothing inside and reassemble)
"Ha! I broke it! You'll never marry my (point)!

(M) "Ah I did fool you a third time because this trick still works!" And he married the (point) and they lived happily ever after! The king lost because when you cheat, the person you always cheat the most, is yourself!"

I hope you enjoy it!
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John:

Beautiful routine. It is so refreshing to see people thinking creatively and outside of the box. I have never seen or heard of pom pom pole being used that way and that was great to read and I am sure it goes over even better with the children. So many people use the standard routine or patter of a do-nothing machine but it has been done to death.

Your routine is fun, engaging and gets the children involved in the fun. Most times when people perform this effect, their is no audience interaction involved in it and I think your routines gives the kids a lot more to get excited about.

Nicely done.

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Actually, the "Fool me three times to marry the princess" is a pretty old story line. I've even seen it used on the old "Mark WIlson" shows from over 40 years ago.
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I have never seen it. Whomever did create it, I still find it amusing and entertaining. I think with the pom pom pole people tend to do it a "let me show you" style trick. They never get the kids engaged as much as they could. So kudos to whomever did create it.

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This Pom Pom Pole story is totally original with me. I wrote it orginally as a Chinese Stick story 20 yrs ago. It was published as a Chinese Stick routine by me in both Mortimers Magic Magazine and Laughmakers magazine. I don't believe the pom pom pole has ever done as an audience participation storytelling trick before! Storytelling is filled with princesses sure.

Mark, I didn't claim fooling the king 3 times was original. Lots of fairytales share this theme. As a professional entertainer I'm well aware of fooling whoever X times to win X is a very common theme. Its using it as audience interaction that counts. This routine plays fantastic!
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No, no, I didn't mean to imply that ... I was only commenting that "fool me three times" is a common concept and storyline, often associated with marrying a princess. I didn't mean to suggest it was a "stolen" routine or that credit belongs elsewhere.

On the contrary, I think what people should leave with is that patter lines and stories can be applied to a variety of tricks with interesting results.
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Mark, that's what I read it as anyway. There's a published routine that uses that story I can't remember what trick it was for though. Any ideas? It's hurting my head.
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It seems I also saw it published for the "Beads of Prussia" trick. Could that be it?
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I think I read a version of the "fooling the king 3 times to win the princess' hand in marriage" in a Frances Marshall KidStuff book (don't recall which volume, there are 6 of them). I use my version of this storyline with the Chinese Sticks, and that might have been the original application for the patter.

Anyways, excellent routine, John!! What I really like about it is the interaction with the audience and also the moral message at the end!

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Thanks everyone. John, I really like the audience participation aspect. I've done the PomPom stick with a theme of "I can't figure this out". The kids really enjoyed the effect,especially the comedy, but it seemed something was missing. It should be better. I think a plot and audience participation could just be that something. Thanks again.
As for the Jumping Knot of Pakistan, I've done this with some story about kids shoelaces getting tangled. I've never really liked the story. I'm thinking of trying a story about a naughty (knotty) kid rubbing of a good kid. I would like to get a theme for this trick that I like as much as the trick itself. Thanks for the input.
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Great Routine John.

I have used Hank Moorehouse's routine for years of a "Nothing Machine". It plays very well.

I will keep a copy of your routine in my files to inspire me though. It is really good and I can see how it would work great with audience for interaction.

Should I sometime down the road decide to switch the pom pom prayer routine, may I use it or part of it?

As for the jumping knot, I made one up years ago when Pavel first lectured on it about 1974 BD (Before Daryl). I made it up with red and yellow ropes. I never liked the white ropes as it got dirty to often. I patter about the blending of colors. Blue and Yellow make green and red and Yellow make orange. If I swirl the ropes together, the colors actually seem to blend together. The knot appears to move onto the yellow rope. But that is only an illusion unless you are a magician. And untie the knot.
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Thanks for asking Richard. I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't OK to do. I like sharing routines. I wish more people did!
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My old set of Bamboozle Sticks (bamboo chinese sticks) came with a version of the fool the King three times patter. According to the acknowledgements it was written by Joe Palen and appeared in the December issue of tops in 1941.
It centers around the Chinese conjurer Fu Yu and his quest to gain the hand of the Emperors daughter by proving him wrong three times.
I took the basic story and made a mediaeval version that for me play's very well.
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Mike Close has his patter for the Jumping Knot of Pakistan in one of his Workers Books. It's about getting tangled up on the expressway. Check it out.
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I recently bought the Workers on CD at a Close workshop. That's my inspiration to take my magic to a higher level. I'm trying to come up with a better theme for kids. I thought the traffic jam would be over their heads.
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Mike Close in workers #3 has patter for the "jumping knot of pakistan".
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If you're looking for a presentation for the Pon Pom Pole that will tickle and amuse children over the age of 20, do a search here at the Café. Somewhere, I think in this section, I wrote up my routine in which you use the prop to explain the dynamics of the U.S. economy. The Pom Pons were replaced with a giant coin, a Union 76 antenna ball, a packe of camels cigarettes, a bag of peanuts, and the old styrofoam container for a McDLT. (remember those?)

For kids, you can't do better than David Ginn's routine, which I have used close up with a micro pole. It's simple, but it invariably sucks in the adults by the end.
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Thanks Curtis. I'll have to check out his routine, and yours as well. I'm certainly looking for something to pull the adults in too.
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I think I've also heard the "fool me three times" used as the premise of quite a few naughty jokes. Its also seen in various fables and myths. The concept is very old and as "public domain" as it gets.

I also have been looking for a PC routine for the Pakistanish rope trick for years. Played with one that had a holiday theme (natural b/c of the red/white rope). I'd love to hear some other ideas.
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