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saturnin Special user Montreal, Canada 964 Posts |
Hi everyone,
I would like to know about different teaching sources for the Muscle Pass (beside Micheal Ammar Classic Renditions). Because I've been taught very briefly to place the coin in a somewhat classic palm and squeeze, but quite frankly, after 2 weeks of practice the coins barely flips (let alone jump). Any tips from good "muscle passers" out there would be very appreciated! Thanks in advance! Ronnie Lemieux Montreal Canada
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts |
Aside from looking quite cool, are there many routines that actually require this sometimes painful sleight?
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Magicbarry Loyal user Toronto 276 Posts |
http://www.coinvanish.com has a description of the muscle pass, with pictures. You need to answer a skill-testing question to gain access to much of the site, but it's an easy one for any magician. (They show you a picture and you have to say what it's a picture of.)
It can take a while to develop a good muscle pass. You'll need to experiment with different positions on the hand -- and of course, coins of different sizes will need to be placed at different spots. |
flourish dude Inner circle from ? But I know where I am going! 1195 Posts |
I have something typed up that has helped alot of people I see if i can find it I may have posted it a long time ago have you done a search to the archives?
if not whats your email and i'll look throught my disks
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MAGICTOM Veteran user Dallas, Tx 354 Posts |
It took me well over a month to get the coin to jump 4", I can get 8" to 10" on average now, here are a couple of tips I found useful.
1. The way I hold the coin for a muscle pass is not the same as I hold a coin in classic palm... the edge of the coin touching should be placed in about 1/4" to 3/8" further towards your thumb muscle.. this works best for me.. it may vary for others.. 2. when I started out, I was holding the coin way too tight.. start out with a more relaxed grip and get the coin to jump a little.. when you find the sweet spot, you can add pressure and the coin will jump higher because you will know how to apply the pressure correctly on the coin. 3. Practice enough to develope a callous on the hand.. this will aid in shortening the amount of time it takes to get a high jump. the callous heps give more of a snap to the action and makes it easier.. And definately check out Dan's site.. http://www.coinvanish.com Good luck Tom
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gimmick1586 Regular user 181 Posts |
I wouldn't waste my time reading all that stuff "don't get me wrong Dan has some good stuff" or waste my money buying stuff about it. You just have to play with it and develop your hand to be able to do it. A classic palm a little closer to your thumb and thats all you need to know. All you need know is time and pain. Man it is painful. you will get bruises, but your hand will toughen up eventually.
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
One of the books of the Arthur Buckley Trilogy (Hint - it isn't Card Control or Mental Magic...)is the original source in print. The description is excellent...
Best, PSC
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MAGICTOM Veteran user Dallas, Tx 354 Posts |
One more thing,
Make sure the pivot point on the coin is the edge that is touching your palm.. I had no idea how to do it when I started, and used the thumb as the pivot point.. which was yet even more painful. Later Tom
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alex cahill Loyal user 234 Posts |
on a good day mine is 12". lol the best source maybe john cornellius does it. some half dollare word better than others depending on the outside. the ones with slightly more beveling around them go higher. just keep practicing and wash your hands before u start this tends to help for me. dunno why
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mattpuglisi Veteran user New York 321 Posts |
It seems like right here, The Magic Cafe, is a good source for pointers!
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CSStanton Loyal user Suttons Bay, MI 228 Posts |
I have learned it a bit different than coinvanish's. I learned to put the coin more up on the thumb. Put it in the fat of your thumb base, and then roll the fat off the coin, you should see more success. Hopfully my ASCII art will help you. Its the palm of my right hand.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
As Alex said,
"John Cornelius does it." It will most likely be in his new book just out, but he has been doing it decades. He was the first I saw do it. Not easy. Paul |
thehawk Inner circle 2275 Posts |
Try Dan Fleichman's video on the muscle pass To make the trick a little easier instead of using a half dollar use a lighter coin or token. On a good day I can shoot the token up two feet.
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Andy G Regular user Terra Australis 180 Posts |
I practice the muscle pass every day and developing that callous makes a big difference, suddenly when you find the right spot and the callous is there you'll get a big jump (no pun intended) in the height you can get. I find the half dollar the best coin to use, a nice 64 Kennedy silver half. Shame UK coins are so small, but I can pass a fifty pence or a two pound, but not nearly as high.
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saturnin Special user Montreal, Canada 964 Posts |
TheHawk wrote:
"Try Dan Fleichman's video on the muscle pass" Where can I find it??? and what else id there on the video, and is the quality good??? Thanks in advance Ronnie Lemieux Montreal Canada
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
I agree with Andy G. that when you get a bit frustrated, try a lighter object.
I have an aluminum palming coin from my Friend P.J. Weber and it is excellent. It will really fly now. Also a plastic poker chip is good to check your fundamentals, but unless you are going to use them in performance, just enjoy it ocassionally. I like thin, light coins, with a coin cut edge. But I practice mostly with a big old heavy Casino Dollar Token that has no ridges, It is my worst case. Ahd I keep working with it, but it is harder to do, and now I have it up to 8" or so. Then when I go to the lighter ones, it even amazes me! As an aside, this is a culteral issue. But I did a double take when I saw Andy say he could msucle pass a two pound (I thought that is really heavy - and then I realized it was a coin....) BroDavid
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COINAMGIC New user 26 Posts |
i can get mine like 3 inches how do you guys get is so high any technice
coins n' card there all good
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
This is one of the things people ask about.
I of course call it my Nearly Normal Coin, or while going through a spectators handful of change, laugh(insert Horshack laugh from welcome back Carter) and tell them THEY have a very valuable nearly normal coin. Once you learn it you can do a very visual color change. Switch in a C/S coin for the quarter, half or whatever coin you are using and do the muscle pass horizontally, (which is much easier) and you get a very nice change from ie a quarter to an english half-penny. Keep growing and glowing and asking "What if?" Harris
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scheda Loyal user Chicago, IL 287 Posts |
OOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!! Not much else is needed to say, I started the muscle pass today, and wow does it hurt after a while, lol. I have this huge red mark from the coin/poker chip I've been using. But I think that the muscle pass will be worth it oncw I get it down.
Coming soon... Who knows!
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