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davidmagic
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I am looking for a manipulative substitute for cigarettes-one that can be done for adult audiences and venues where smoking would not be appropriate (which is 99% of where I go). The substitute has to have physically similar properties and crayons or other items more appropriate for children do not count. Picture doing Frank Garcia's bare-handed cigarette production with ......Basic vanishes, fitting in a holder, the usual palms. thanks.
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Most bans are on the smoking of cigarettes not the possession. Luckily the thought police and politically correctness officers haven't got quite that far yet. So do the cigarette act sans the smoke.

otherwise you are left with electric eraser refills and glue sticks - even stranger to have in one's possession.
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Rolled up banknotes or bamboo canes cut to length and coloured - could be oriental theme with some silks. Another idea is steel golf shafts cut to short lengths. The inner section is painted in black enamel leaving the chromed ends. They would look like minature magic wands. Golf size pencils or some foodstuffs like cinammon sticks, mini corn cobs, liquorice root, pasta tubes, and breadsticks could all be considered.
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Thanks-I will try the banknotes-after all, everyone loves money, and they will have the "give" like a cig.
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BlackShadow -

You have listed some first-rate cigarette substitutes; very creative. Until reading your post, I assumed most cigarette manipulation was passe.

Thanks,

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Hey thanks...

But, Kids at home... don't try stubbing out and vanishing a golf pencil in a TT Smile
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Rolled up playing cards, as in Keith's book. Also, you could use crayons.
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Again, why would someone have rolled up bankrolls. It is incongruous. Here is a real suggestion go with the short golf pencils as they are familiar to people both golfers and those who frequent the public library. But to give you the softness and give of a cigarette, use the rubber pencils sold in joke, novelty and some magic stores. No one will know they are not real pencils as they look strikingly like the real McCoy and you will be manipulating something not only relevant but very familiar.

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Frank, I know one reason people roll up banknotes/bills.
You could then do banknote up the nose. Ahem.

David. Are you talking about Garcia's "Cigarama"?
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Yes, but just as an example of a routine
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It's a dilemna isn't it? To use an everyday situation, or a prop which is more suited to developing an interesting routine. I don't suppose you see many snooker players with 4 small sized balls wrapped round their fingertips, but plenty of mileage was had from that idea, so in the end the latter consideration is probably more important.
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I think all the suggestions here re a substitude for a cigarette are not really a solution..
A cigarette is a cigarette, it's that simple..

Over the past, so many great routines have been done using cigarettes..back to Cardini, even Fred Kaps did the very best cigarette routine I've ever seen!

What about Slydini's torn and restored cigarette -in various versions ?
Still wanna roll up a card or a bill to do this?

Get real my friends! Smile
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Well, the brief given by David was he wanted to do "basic vanishes, holder work and the usual palms." If he wanted to do T&R, TT Vanish, or lighting them, the answers may have been different... probably to use a ciggie after all Smile
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On 2005-02-02 17:16, BlackShadow wrote:
Well, the brief given by David was he wanted to do "basic vanishes, holder work and the usual palms." If he wanted to do T&R, TT Vanish, or lighting them, the answers may have been different... probably to use a ciggie after all Smile

Yes, but somehow -unless one does a very specialized act- it doesn't make sense to produce crayons and that kind..
A *smoker* has the *need* for a cigarette and so does produce dozens of them, well almost..
Fred Kaps did, and it's the greatest production of cigarettes I've ever seen..actually better then Cardinis, which was outstandingly good!

There is nothing like a *cigarette*, weather it is politically correct or not Smile

Watch Tom Mullicas act, watch Cellini...can anything compete with the entertainment value of it? (I mean producing crayons!)
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Werner:
Things may be different in Denmark. Here is the US, there are even companies doing urine tests for nicotine and not hiring anyone who smokes, even if it is on your off hours. California does not allow smoking in pubs, like anyone goes to a pub for their health! Therefore, most of us have very very few venues in which is is okay to do a cig act. For some reason, cigars do not have quite as much stigma. Anyway, the simple choice is to give up the cig magic completely or to find alternative routes. Since I am in the Midwest, I even have to do this with the multiplying bottle since some venues in which I perform do not condone alcoholic beverages.
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Davidmagic

Yes, I understand.. Smile
What a world we are living in..

I wonder when magic gets prohibited, can be dangerous to the mind.

They're on there way too here in DK, in lots of shopping malls and in official/government buildings smoking is niot allowed.

I used to be a heavy smoker, but stopped from one day to the other 5 years back out of free will..

OTOH, scientific investigations just proofed, that busses, trucks in the city are responsible for more pollution and unhealthy influence then smoking cigarettes.

On top of this, the latest report shows,that ppl having fireplaces in their houses using tree to burn that isn't quite dry -and they all use it- , is MORE dangerous for the health then carpollution..
What's next?

Use a cigarette, act as if lightning it, make some reemarks re how dangerous it is for the health and 'stretch' it to a rope and do a nice roperoutine..

I still think a crayon or rolled up pieces of a card or a bill don't replace a cigarette..apart from the timewaste and the motivation missing to roll it up just for manipulation..

When cigarettes are not allowed, I would stop doing cigarette-routines or replace the routine using cigars, there are great wooden cigars available and most effects using cigarettes can be done using cigars..

20 years back I did a cigarproduction instead of a cigaretteproduction and it was very strong..
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I have seen in shops not to long ago pencils that looked just like ciggaretes and were the same size. They only have a nib when you sharpen them.

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I am a smoker and in the company of smokers you simply cannot beat the reaction to the production and barehanded vanish of a lit cig, my favourite principle of cigarette magic is the fact that a lit cig moving at moderate speed emits no smoke! try it out if you don't know it, thumb clip the sucker and try some natural gestures to see what I mean. Anyway my point is that cigarette magic is cigarette magic, and magic with crayons is crayon magic.Like it or not cigarettes have a certain effect that crayons and banknotes cannot convey, I mean think of it from a laymans point of view...where the hell do you hide a BURNING cigarette?
'though it stands to reason that a samurai should be mindful of the Way...it would seem that we are all negligent.
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Do they still make gum sticks that look like cigarettes? Although it's not totally different, it could be used as a substitute.

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I use crayons:)

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