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Chris Rodriguez
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Hi everyone,

I was just reading through the topics here and found that a lot of you use tables when performing in the streets. I was wondering if any of you do not use tables at all? If so how does that work out with large crowds when performing, and what effects do you normally perform?

-Chris
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Most people on here (including myself) do use tables (and I use it virtually only for Gazzo's Cups and Balls routine). If your are not using a table, you can still perform card tricks, rope tricks, etc, (pretty much anything).

A table comes in handy for the psychology of the trick, too. By having a table you have somewhere to stand and walk away from (although this sounds stupid you may find that you would need to step back [as if hiding something] to perform a trick). Also, your table establishes where you are going to be performing, how much room you will need and perhaps more importantly how close or far away you want your crowd to be.

I know this has very little to do with your post, and I'm sorry. Smile

Chris
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I've just begun using one for street/outdoor festival performing, mostly as a way of establishing a performance dynamic. I don't dress in any unusual way, and I don't have big choreographed movements in my show, so a table (or lectern) is a great way to demonstrate that I am a performer, and that I have a space in which I will perform.
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Chris Rodriguez,

Welcome to The Magic Café, new guy!

Very much like the traditional street magicians of a few hundred years ago, setting a table establishes a "stage". The magician arrived, has set up shop and here will sooner or later, be a show. It's kind of a universal symbol... but necessarily, necessary? Maybe not.

I have also worked outdoors with no table, and while it is different, it can be done. Crowd management must be handled a bit differently, and the only real limitations are the visuals that can be used to attract a crowd. This can remedied in any number of ways, so it's not a problem.

You can still do a show, as there are plenty of tricks and routines that do not require a table. No need for me to specify what those are. I have mine, you'll have or find yours, and many other posters will be glad to share their laundry lists.
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My table has a full drape around it from ground to top. The drape makes it look more substantial, and gives me a hidden place to put my knapsack, and a few other odd things that don't go in the case itself. And on it, it says;

Brother David
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It is larger on the front, and a bit smaller on the two sides.

As soon as I set it up, it usually starts gathering curiosity seekers. So it not only gives me a base of operations but it also announces my intentions.

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On 2005-02-02 17:13, BroDavid wrote:

As soon as I set it up, it usually starts gathering curiosity seekers. So, it not only gives me a base of operations, but it also announces my intentions.



Same as it's been for hundreds of years. Why? Because it works!

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Chris Rodriguez
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Thanks guys, I am planning on getting into some busking sometime in the future, but I still need much more practice. I think I'm going to construct a table that I have plans for when I start to hit the streets seeing that most buskers do have one. At first I thought I could do it all without a table, but then I started to get into routines/effects that needed a table, like the three shell game and cups and balls.
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If you have a basic show, don't wait to busk until you think you're perfect. Practice on the street. There's no better place to practice. You'll learn very quickly.

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On 2005-02-04 23:30, Chris Rodriguez wrote:
Thanks guys, I am planning on getting into some busking sometime in the future, but I still need much more practice. I think I'm going to construct a table that I have plans for when I start to hit the streets seeing that most buskers do have one. At first I thought I could do it all without a table, but then I started to get into routines/effects that needed a table, like the three shell game and cups and balls.


I would definitely not recommend the Three Shell Game for street performance. It will draw heat and trouble faster than you can imagine.
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Amen Whit
Chris the only way I do the Shells on the Street is to use the Trade Show shells, as a show
and I have a great relationship with the local Constabulatory , Bruce one of our oldest members of the local law enforcement will even get "involved" the subtle irish accent will pop up .. from the back of the crowd telling em they are betting all wrong Smile , or he walks up and it looks as though I am greasing His palm Smile( we had to drop that ) it is sad because he retires this year, he is as much of the fun as anyone is on the pitch
However anything monte can be potentially harmful to your act, it took me a while to figure that one out
Just my thoughts Keet
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You need a table only if you need a table. Lots of guys don't use them. If your act is linking rings and a straightjacket you don't need one.
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I just made my first 2 table tops. Lightweight but sturdy wood, padded, and covered with a fine suede. The other side.... is smooth and perfect for dice stacking.

They look elegant and are very durable for street work.
I made one 20x26 inches and one 18x24 inches.

Usually I use the 20x26 size but I'm thinking I could go for the smaller one, once I saw it completed.

Now I have to have the wooden edging and servant completed before they are just right.
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I have 18x24. Gazzo's still harassing me to get a bigger table. I thought it was fine at first, but if I want to set up a show on the table (cup stack on one side, that sort of thing) then it restricts my arm swing for dice stacking. Trouble is, with my trip to Denmark coming up, I can't really fit anything bigger in my suitcase. It's easy enough now to pack things around it. Not sure I want to have to package it separately, carry packing supplies with me, and lug it halfway around the world in a cardboard box.

Besides, then I'd have to find a way to cut the packing tape when I get there, and that can be dangerous, especially with a borrowed knife.
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These street tables Im making are 22 x 33 and seem to be a pretty good compromise on size for everyone who's gotten one. The top is a little big for my own personal tastes (18 x 27 is about right for me) but still in keeping with an approximately 2:3 shape ratio. Those 18 x 24 tops are a little too deep in relationship to the width to fit 2:3 which seems to be the most pleasing and workable shape down through the ages. Suede is a great surface. I've been using it for 30 years to good results. You can clean it with soap and water if you have to just dry it in the shade and then brush it with a suede brush to raise the nap again.

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On 2005-02-11 11:38, tabman wrote:
These street tables Im making are 22 x 33 and seem to be a pretty good compromise on size for everyone ... but still in keeping with an approximately 2:3 shape ratio. Those 18 x 24 tops are a little too deep in relationship to the width to fit 2:3 which seems to be the most pleasing and workable shape down through the ages.


Now we're getting into Fibonacci, golden rectangles, and the essence of beauty.
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On 2005-02-11 11:38, tabman wrote:
These street tables I'm making are 22 x 33 and seem to be a pretty good compromise on size for everyone, but still in keeping with an approximately 2:3 shape ratio. Those 18 x 24 tops are a little too deep in relationship to the width to fit 2:3 which seems to be the most pleasing and workable shape down through the ages.


Now we're getting into Fibonacci, golden rectangles, and the essence of beauty.


A thing of beauty is a joy forever. (And the Tabman can build you one.)


RiffRaff,

Your username caught my attention. As an old rodeo cowboy I can tell you that you picked the name of a bad bull! His home office was near Dallas and I think he belonged to Neil Gay. He kept a lot of cowboys in Ace bandages.

Good Luck!

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On 2005-02-11 11:54, RiffRaff wrote: Now we're getting into Fibonacci, golden rectangles, and the essence of beauty.


You got it right my friend!

-=tabman
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I thought I would not be willing to use something smaller than 20x26 but 18/24 (at least that is what I think it is) seemed like it had enough real estate.

I was surprised.

Tabman, you got my curiosity up. I'm comparing length to width relationships
of all the things I see. a pice of paper, table tops, books, DVD covers.
A DVD cover has a .7 ratio.

I did make a 2' by 3' table top once but it was way too big for my liking.
Sometimes I use it as an extra table to hold props (downstage. or is it upstage?)
and out of the way.
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I have seen the 2 to 3 rectanglular ratio come up often enough in the size ratio of magicians tables and even ancient architecture that I adopted it as my magician's table formula many years ago. I had decided that a pleasing shape for the early suede close-up tables I was making was 24" x 16" and was surprised when I later learned the ratio was 3:2. Even Pythagoras who supposedly discovered the ratio had a fudge factor built into his approach to the golden rectangle so I suppose that we (you and I) can too.

-=tabman
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Just for the heckuvit, I double checked the dimensions of another popular rectangle, the American football field. Turns out it is 360' x 160', which is way off the mark for the 3:2 ratio. I'm also compelled to report that it is very difficult to do magic on a football field. In fact, it sucks...
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