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I am doing a little research on peeks of this nature. (i.e., effects where info on a business card is sealed in an envelope or envelopes). Can anyone tell me if "The Test of the White Dwarf" as it appeared in Magick is the same as the "Eye of the White Dwarf" as it appears in "The Artful Mentalism of Bob Cassidy"?
Thanks in advance for any info.
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No, it's different.
Different method, same end result.
The Eye has a very nice test condition type of feel to it.

Tom
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I'm familiar with the "white dwarf", envelope inside an envelope, but what's the difference one from the other?
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Tom:
Thanks for the info. The reason I ask is because I am working on a version of this where both sides of both envelopes can be freely and completely shown, which cannot be done in the "Eye".
I will attempt to find the "Test" version and make sure I am not re-inventing something.

Chicagoman:
I would like to find this out as well. The methodology is apparently different, but the effect is the same.
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"The reason I ask is because I am working on a version of this where both sides of both envelopes can be freely and completely shown, which cannot be done in the "Eye"."


You can do this with the Eye.
Not sure where you read your version of the EYE...
But in the Theories of a Psychic, you can you have spectator remove the inner envelope and take out the biz card.
Prior to that you can ask them if they know what's inside the inner enevelope.
They cant see anything in it and must remove the card to see.

Everything is in their hands.
You take the envelopes back...they do their drawing.
OK....something is happening at this point, but I cant say more without giving the game away.

That's why I said it had a test condition feel.

With the original White Dwarf, you didn't have the *gaff* the EYE has...
But you pay the price in another way. It is not test condition/extra fair, if you know what I mean.

Sorry about the vagueness, but the methods are simple and easy to reveal.

Email me if you need more info.

Tom

OK, just read your post again and saw where you read it.
I don't have that book, but you should be able to figure out what happens when you take the envelopes back and spec does a drawing.

The method is the same as you allude to, it happens at a leter point in what I am saying. Just to be clear, the original White Dwarf is different, but I think The Eye is much better with extra handling I am hinting at.

Cheers.
Tom
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Tom:
I believe I understand what you are saying. In the version I have come up with, both envelopes are shown completely on both sides and left on the table in full view while the spectator writes her thought on the card. Said card is then slid into the smaller envelope by the spectator, then this is slid into the larger one. Her mind is then read.
If anyone knows of anything like this that exists I would like to know. I have a terrible habit of comng up with ideas only to find later that they were done long ago.
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Geez,
My memory is going.
I looked up your version of EYE.
It looks like I have modified it over the last 2 years.
I thought it was the original version, but added a little extra.

But your latest description *could* be explained with the original
white dwarf.

Both envelopes can/are displayed.

Looking up Cassidys Writings re the EYE--
It looks like I added a bit over the years.
I have started out clean--and went the way of his BLACK BOX on his CD.
In my version they take out all the envelopes and biz card etc...you take each envelope as they "undo" package...they do their writing etc...
you put in inner envelope, then outer.

Apologies about the confusion about the EYE.
Your description could still be accounted by the original version.
If you want email your thoughts, or I can give you more info about the original white dwarf, you will know if you have something different or not.

Tom
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