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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
What are your views of the current theorys used to descibe global warming?
Are you happy with them? Would you like to hear what I suspect is the real cause? [not a crank theory]
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Am clueless here. Yes please. Outgassing from standup comics?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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drwilson Inner circle Bar Harbor, ME 2191 Posts |
Friction between people with opposing views?
Yours, Paul |
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Partizan Inner circle London UK 1682 Posts |
Do you think it is a human product or a natural one?
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
- Mark Twain |
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Well, as a person who is supposed to be partly responsible for the unfortunate affect. I think that the fact the earth has had global warming and cooling cycles since before people were the blight on earth they now are, how could you not conclude we are entirely responsible now?
That sucked, hows this: It has happened before people even existed on earth, How did we cause those changes in climate? is it reasonable to assume we are completely responsible now? I think other explanations may be around, but since the CFC's etc. has been blamed, I doubt many minds will change. Good topic Partizan.
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Tilman Regular user 182 Posts |
Given the last posts I suspect a majority thinks it's a human product. Personally I'm clueless. But please, tell me.
PS: Could it be due to the production of teflon-coated [[??? |
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Memo New user Germany (northrhine-westfalia) 77 Posts |
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What are your views of the current theorys used to descibe global warming? I am not sure, if I understand you. Do you speak of the climate effects affecting our weather? It is proven, that the humans have had a big influence to the climate by politing the atmosphere with huge amount of gasses, that should not be there. And in my opinion it is a shame that the USA and China did not join thy Kyoto protocol that gots valid this week. It is important, that we realize, that our behavior influences the atmosphere tempestuously and while disequilibrating it, we change the climate and weather of you planet, resulting in melting polar caps etc.
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Has that really been proven? By whom? Is the pollution that we spew good? no. Is it the only explanation? I havn't seen anything solid saying yes.
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
That has not been proven at all. What has been proven is that human caused emissions MIGHT affect temperature by One degree this way or that way. Consider this...in the morning it is 40 degrees...in the afternoion it is 75 degrees. That's a 35 degree change in a few hours...why? THE SUN. The Sun also has huge fluctuations over the decades and centuries. Temperature change can be blamed on Mr. Sun. It can also be blamed on a bazillion other natural processes including volcanoes. BUT the blaming of an SUV is ridiculous...the earth will abide man and heal itself in any number of ways...natural compensation will take place as it has for BILLIONS of years. If you want to hate your own species...go ahead but your farting in the wind.
Another thought to consider..if the South Polar ice melts away the seas will rise. If the North polar ice Cap melts the seas will not rise hardly at all. How come? The North polar ice has alrady displaced its mass...it floats like an ice cube...when an ice cube melts in a glass of water does the glass over flow? No. The south polar ice sits on a land mass so doesn't already have displacement. Most of the environmental looneys haven't a clue of what they are screaching about. Global warming? More than likely yes. A new Ice Age on the way? Probably yes...but maybe not...(Extreme global warming will cause an Ice Age by the way, as it did in the distant past MANY TIMES.) Can humans do anything about it? Hardly. But you can READ facts and not listen to a bunch of crap being thrown around by groups that want financial support and political power...hooey. ONE...repeat...ONE major volcanic eruption can do the deed overnight. Yellowstone can do it...might do it if it blows. Relax...there are other things within your circle of influence you CAN affect and change. Listening to politicians is the LAST thing you need to do to enjoy life as it is now...as to how it will be? Who knows. Out of our hands. Doug
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
Yeh Verily!!
Did you know a volcanic eruption injects tens of thousands of tons of chlorine into the atmosphere each eruption? Guess where I read that, in the study book for the refrigeration certification I took a few years back, The book trying to explain why Chlorine atoms are the cause of ozone depletion. By the way chlorine is what is "dangerous" about CFC's and HCFC's (aside from air displacement because it is heavier than air). They know that chlorine is heavier than air, making it's rise somewhat difficult, it also tends to break down before it reaches the ozone, and with the added Hydrogen atom in the HCFC's chlorine becomes more unstable and will break down quicker. now if our air conditioner pops and the CFC's get up to the ozone whole the problem is the possible reaction with ozone. One chlorine molecule COULD start a chain reaction that COULD destroy up to 10,000 ozone molecules. But from what I have seen we need to spend less time worrying about that can of hair spray or refrigerator and start banning volcano's, or at least making them sign the Kyoto Protocol.
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
The atmosphere of Titan is heavily affected by AEROSOLS. hmmmm...Did all our hairspray go to Saturn? :-0
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Laughing Otter Loyal user Behind you! 205 Posts |
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On 2005-02-16 18:03, Xmosis wrote: That's it! Cows, too. Thanks, X, for being a voice for scientific literacy. |
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Doug Higley 1942 - 2022 7152 Posts |
Methane on Mars! Methane on Titan! "COWS In Space"
Kermit will be happy there are no Pigs.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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The earth will abide man and heal itself in any number of ways . . . natural compensation will take place as it has for BILLIONS of years. The earth will compensate, but it would be nice if that healing included the continuing existence of our peculiar species (at least for a while). Jack Shalom
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Josh Riel Inner circle of hell 1995 Posts |
I've listened to scientist discuss the possibility of an asteroid hitting and thereby ending earth, Also the sun will eventually burn out, so a few billion years is probably all we got anyway.
Don't worry about what you can't change. But don't hesitate to change something if you should. I think we'll run out of gas before we stop burning it. I'd like to see some of the trees left standing. Oh well noone ever said life was fair.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
Everyone knows it's Flatulent Cows. All those cows being beamed up to U.F.O.'s are being fed with highly gasey foods in order to replace our oxygen based atmosphere with methane (everyone knows Oxygen is poisonous to Alien's) so the Alien's can finaly take over our planet as we die off one by one.
Solution: Eat more Beef Iven
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
I think most would agree that the hard science is still out on whether or not humankind has severely altered the weather on our little planet. We simply haven't been collecting accurate meteorological data for a long enough period to be able to determine if the current weather pattern changes are a natural or man made occurrence. However this is no reason to maintain the status quo.
The less pollutants we put into the environment the better off we all will be. If we use fewer resources they will last longer. While I am far from being a "tree hugger" I think the Kyoto Agreement is something this country should have gotten behind and supported simply because of the fact that if there is no Global Warming than following the accord just keeps us from spewing less crap into the environment. However if Global Warming is indeed a fact then it might very well save us from irreversible weather change. Both ways we win.
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rnaviaux Loyal user 287 Posts |
When you are suffocating from lack of oxygen will that be enough hard science for you?
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Memo New user Germany (northrhine-westfalia) 77 Posts |
Of course IT IS proven. As in any topic you will find different opinions by unserious so called scientist, but you will also find someone telling you, timetravelling could be possible or moving faster than c or that the earth is a disc.
The serious scientists expect a chance of climate until 2100 leading into an average temperature on earth upto five K warmer then now. Of course, in many periods of the earth, the average temperature was even higher just because of changes from ice ages to interglacials ages. But it has never been getting warmer so fast and IT IS PROVEN that this warming is resulting from more of the so called greenhouse gases. In many simulations a rise of the see level of 50 or even 80cm is expected because of melting polar caps. This will have heavy results for seaside cities. More water will lead to more storms resulting in many more hurricans, tornados, tidal waves and bigger temperature changes - more rainstorms, heavy snow storms, longer aridities... It is not a topic to make fun with or to play down.
"There have been many claims by magicans and mentalists to the invention of mnemonics; some of the claimants have been world-famous performers - and none of them have a right to their claims!" - Corinda
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