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Pardon my crusade, but.... ;^)

As I have mentioned on a couple of other areas of the Café, be careful if you buy knives - Mogar or otherwise - that use clear plastic handles with silk screen material providing the colors. If you get the knives wet, as I accidentally did, the silk screen material can become stained and discolored. Even if it is just water, as it did with my set of Perfect Knives.

Stick with Stag, Bone or other solid color versions, especially as you seem to be leaning in that direction, anyway.
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On 2005-03-02 21:40, Chessmann wrote:
Pardon my crusade, but.... ;^)

As I have mentioned on a couple of other areas of the Café, be careful if you buy knives - Mogar or otherwise - that use clear plastic handles with silk screen material providing the colors. If you get the knives wet, as I accidentally did, the silk screen material can become stained and discolored. Even if it is just water, as it did with my set of Perfect Knives.

Stick with Stag, Bone or other solid color versions, especially as you seem to be leaning in that direction, anyway.




Mark,

Are all the Mogar colored knives (including white and black) all silk-screened? In other words, are all knives except the bone and stag silk-screened?

And, what exactly is the silk-screening? Is it a colored piece of plastic or cloth or(?) that is placed underneath a clear plastic covering? I'm not at all clear how silk screening on a knife is accomplished. The only silk-screening I am aware of is that which is done on cloth (like T-shirts).

Finally, do you think that a special set of knives with stag and bone would be easy enough to see (for an audience)?

Thanks for any info.

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On 2005-02-20 10:07, fccfp wrote:

Whit Hayden's video teaches an excellent, commercial, routine that will take more work. Hayden also teaches you some of the more advanced moves. It is based on a three knife set that Mogar manufactures and sells.



Does anyone know which video Bruce is referring to for Whit Haydn's routine?

Is the video in question called "The Intricate Web of Distraction"? If so, is it available in DVD format?

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Rich
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Turk,

There are many Mogar knives that do not use the clear handles with silk screen colors. Examples would be the knives with textured handles (stag, bone). Mogar also has many other colors available that are do not use silk screen. The "Perfect Knives" may be the only ones Mogar makes in this manner.

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with the exact materials used in silk screening process, so I cannot help you there.

As far as visibility is concerned, the brighter the color the more visible it often is from a distance. If you are very close to your audience I would imagine any combination of colors/materials would work. If you will work at a medium distance, I *might* think about avoiding a combination where the contrast is not so great, such as jigged bone (brownish) and black.
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Thank you everone for you replies. Can someone please help me with my questions regarding Whit Haydn's routine? Also, any recommendations on the stag set of knives?

Thank you,
Rich
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"Intricate Web of Distraction" is in DVD format available from http://www.schoolforscoundrels.com

It is my knife routine using the knives Mogar designed for me.
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Turk,
Most of the Mogar knives have a solid piece for the scale (side) of the knife. You can get them in a variety of colors and they will never be affected by water, unless you let them rust Smile.

Are you planning on going swimming with the knives? They are much to small to be a good divers knife.

The question was asked: "which of these sets should I get?" (see above) I think that starting simple and building is better. Joe sends a routine that uses all the knives in the particular set that the routine comes with. imhop, I don't care for the rainbow knife that much. It is simply a matter of taste & preferance.

I have about 15 different mogar knives at this point, including his flag set, triple change knife, and others. I basically carry the 3 knife stag set and do a fairly simple routine with them. Perhaps it's the elegance of simplicity that appeals to me. I think when you start bringing in a lot of different knives if starts to look gimmicky. With only two colors it is possable for the audiance to really think that you only have two knives and that they really are changing places. When using 5 different colors it bemes a bit much. Having said that, I think there is nothing wrong with using a different color, a striped knife, or some other variation as a climax to a routine. Provided that the routine builds to that climax and then you stop. I think it's all to easy to fall into the trap of keeping the routine going on past the point of interest.
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Thank you VERY much fccfp, your reply was extremely helpful. I ordered the 3 knife stag set a few days ago as well as Whit's "Intricate Web of Distraction."

I am looking forward to recieving the knives and routine. I'll try my best to create a routine that fits my personality and keep in mind the option of adding another climax knife in the future. I agree that simplicity is probably the best. It is easier for the audience to recall the effect if it remains simple and direct.

Thanks again,
Rich

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I spoke with Joe Mogar on the phone the other day, for the first time ever, to ask him some questions regarding general color changing knife routines. I wanted to mention that he was extremely helful and very nice. It really helps getting feedback from magicians who actually perform the CC knife routine on a regular basis. I also appreciate Whit's replies which helped quite a bit. Thank you.
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On 2005-03-07 18:45, fccfp wrote:
I think when you start bringing in a lot of different knives if starts to look gimmicky. With only two colors it is possable for the audiance to really think that you only have two knives and that they really are changing places. When using 5 different colors it bemes a bit much. Having said that, I think there is nothing wrong with using a different color, a striped knife, or some other variation as a climax to a routine. Provided that the routine builds to that climax and then you stop. I think it's all to easy to fall into the trap of keeping the routine going on past the point of interest.


Good point!

I must admit that I use a version of what I think is Matt Schuliens Routine myself. It uses four knives, and Mogar's Stag fantasy is exellent for it.
In some situations it's a bit of an overkill, though.
If you want a shorter routine, one of my favourites is the one the Great Thomsoni does on one of his videos. It uses only two knives, and has three colour-changes.

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I just received my Whit Haydn color changing knives yesterday and they are AWESOME!!! They exceeded my expectations in their look and feel. I really like them a lot! Yesterday, I also recieved and watched Whit's video "The Intricate Web of Distraction" The routine is nice and I really enjoyed his description of the moves and subtle handling techniques. Very nice routine Whit!!!

Thank you all for your recommendations I am extremely happy with my purchase!

Kind regards,
Rich
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