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leefoley3
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Curious, when you cover coins with cards, do you bend them sleightly or do you place flat cards on the coins? If flat, what do you do to prevent the "obvious"?
I should say obvious to me (and others, I'm sure) that if a card is on a coin it's not setting flush with the table surface (close-up mat, etc.). I hope I'm explaining this well enough for all of you to process and provide feedback.
Thanks in advance Smile
Lee
P.S. If you bend the cards, how much of a bend do you put in them?
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Let's take the next step on this.... lose the playing cards.

Really

Why clutter your table with all that stuff when you present a nice coin assembly?

Use something ELSE instead of playing cards. Try photos, coasters... something else.

David Roth published his routine that uses postcards. What will you use?
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Hi Jonathan,
Glad you replied. Utilizing other objects would still "clutter" the performance area, right? Seriously, I'm doing a routine with casino chips (from our very own Tabman) and cards seem to fit with the theme.

I'm very open to other ideas and appreciate the ones you have offered. Just wanted to clarify why I would prefer to stick with the pasteboards.
Thanks again,
Lee
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Do it barehanded. Much more magical. Personally, I think the audience thinks that you are doing something they couldn't see in the cover of the cards so I only use 2 cards or none. Michael Ammar has his assembly with only 2 cards. It could be found in ETMCMvol2.
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The one I usually do only envolves two cards. Just a new idea, that's all.
So, if you use two cards, do you bend the cards or lay them flat?
That's the question. Smile
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IMO It depends when you are going to do the obvious.

For me, I usually bend themif I am going to do the 'obvious' later, after having placed all the cards. (I bend them when speaking to the audience and when showing them the coins under the cards. Only a sleigh bend is required)

If I were to do the 'obvious when placing the cards, I don bend them. Jus place them on top flat.

IMO it depends on your style and whether bend or unbend cards make it easier for u

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The of two covers in a coin assembly almost certainly evolved to allow for the absence of an extra coin. One card covered the assembly area and the other hid that fact that a coin was missing from the begining... thereby allowing the performer to be "one ahead" without an extra coin.

The real, and original, "Matrix" effect used four cards to ISOLATE the coins from manipulation. Watch when Al does the trick and you'll notice that it's all about how he doesn't touch the coins AT ALL. Coin Assemblies before that had you picking up the coins and vanishing them in your hands. The idea of the cards isn't to hide things it's to keep you from touching them. That's what you have to be thinking when you do the trick... The effect is that you move them by magic. The only reason to touch the cards at all is to reveal the magic has occured.

As Jon suggested, if you can find something else that's interesting use that instead of cards. Roth uses Postcards of Stonehenge when he uses covers...
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On 2005-02-20 22:44, GeorgeSantos wrote:
Do it barehanded. Much more magical. Personally, I think the audience thinks that you are doing something they couldn't see in the cover of the cards so I only use 2 cards or none.


I agree barehanded is more magical. This is about silks but the principle is the same:
I remember when I was a youngster watching magic on TV. Sometimes the magician would do a trick and cover the vanish or transformation with a silk. My eyes would always glaze over. Why? Because he was covering the action! He could have been doing anything under there! So I was always less mystified under such circumstances.

As for another reason to do the trick with cards as opposed to postcards or whatnot, if you have to carry your own props you can get a lot of mileage out of just carrying some coins and some cards.
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When you use playing cards, you need to manage the rest of the pack and the cardcase. That's the clutter. Also, the playing cards themselves may distract from the coin trick. Just suggesting you might be better served by less distrations in the setup process (which four cards, where to put the deck, where to put the case ) and a cleaner looking routine itself where the focus is ONLY on the coins.

As to being efficient using just the pack of cards you carry and the coins you put down on the table... is that efficient for YOU or efficient FOR THE AUDIENCE?
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Hi Lee,
I noticed you mentioned the casinochips. I can imagine that these are slightly thicker than a coin, therefor the possibility of "giving it away".
What I discovered is that the use of a black velvet mat (as for example Dean Dill's) helps hiding the cards/covers floating. Because there is no shadow visible.
I use for my assembly 50 ct. € coins which are small but thick. As covers I use white plastic covers the size of a pokercard. The white on the black surface looks deadgood. No tell tale edges whatsoever, except for one who keeps his eyes on the edge of the surface (small children?).

Though playing cards can be bend for these effects I dislike the look of it.(simply personal of course, but if spectators can see a coin under a card, they can also suspect its presence when a card is bend, which is alsmost as bad)

When you use bills (for instance in the Paul Cummins routine) it is much more natural for the covers to be rumpled/bend/folded without looking suspicious.

Keep in mind that the color of the cover and the color of the surface cause this telltale shadow. Experiment on that!
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Paul Cummin's routine can be found on his video "Up In Smoke." It uses 2 bills and 4 coins. The use of bills not only fits the money theme, but it also allows for some loading moves that are different than those typically used with cards. Check out Paul's video.

Mike
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My RAYTRIX uses 4 borrowed coins and 1 borrowed card. Thanks for suggesting other stuff like Photos , bills etc...

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Paul's routine is great. And that's coming from someone who pretty hates pretty much every coin assembly he's ever seen.

In addition the use of the kicker coin as a convincer at the start of the effect is a brilliant bit of routining.

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Quote:
David Roth published his routine that uses postcards. What will you use?


I think I might run with an old Letterman idea and use my tie to cover one spot and have all the coins assemble under it! Smile

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I liked an idea used by a restaurant magician...cant think of the person...but he used the restaurant labelled coasters right from the spectators table. I kinda liked this idea, for that arena that is.

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