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C.Jakobsson Regular user Sweden 118 Posts |
Hi!
I'm planning on including a rope routine into my street performance. Which routine do you guys think would be the best. I have both volumes from tabary so preferably one of those routines but what do you think? Knots? Ring and rope? Fism act? And btw, the routine is going to be the first one after I have gathered the crowd. Thanks |
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Mark Rough Inner circle Ivy, Virginia 2110 Posts |
I would highly recommend that you contact Brother Paul West (he's a member here) and ask him about his Street Rope Routine.
Mark
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Most roperoutines where one doesn't want to carry and cut yards of rope are still based on George Sands RopeSational and if brother Paul West isn't, I'll fall of my chair
In principle., there is no better roperoutine then George Sands -with minor variation/adjustments- what I've seen often instead, are just 'confusing' roperoutines which aren't that clear then the original.. Nothing to do with Paul West, I don't doubt he does a very fine routine, otherwise he couldn't survive on the street, I just wanted to point out, leave bro West's routine to himself and use what's available in public...
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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toonomads Regular user Albuquerque, NM, USA 172 Posts |
But Werner...Brother Paul has published his routine and offers it for sale.
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Mark Rough Inner circle Ivy, Virginia 2110 Posts |
Cheer down Werner, you can buy the routine. And yes it's based on Sands routine, sort of.
http://www.brotherpaulmagic.com Mark
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chrisrkline Special user Little Rock 965 Posts |
And Bro Pauls is a very good routine. Gets very good reactions.
Chris
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Firebert New user 97 Posts |
You may want to check this thread out: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30
“Nor is the man enriched, in repeating the old experiments of animal sensation, nor unless through new powers and ascending pleasures, he knows himself by the actual experience of higher good, to be already on the way to the highest."
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: That's great then
On 2005-03-08 07:53, lastnitesfun wrote: It's based on Sands routine? Everything of that type is George Sands did revolutionize ropemagic..and then all the others popped in most of them with very good adaitions, ppl like Flip, Tabaris and Sanders, just to name 3..nevertheless some of the stuff (no names mentioned) is more confusing then necessary. One really has to se it all from the audiences point of view, one should tape ones routine and watch it critically in a relaxed position in ones favourite armchair and then throw away most of the 'variations' and what's left then? Make a qualified guess PS. I just checked back Bro Pauls site and noticed his closer...well, a good one, and I suppose mainly to get rid of the *extra*.. A tiny tip.. Consult John Ramsays roperoutine and steal/add the last part of it as a closer, where the 2 pcs. of rope are knotted together on each end, both knots vanish, the rope is one single long lenght and thereafter finish with with the *knot*-explanation.. Here you also finish clean at the end and you have a real *climax* when the smal piece of rope is streched to the original large lenght..those knowing the Ramsay solution will know, it's about the best closer for the George Sands basic routine. I've never seen anybody combining the Sands stuff with the Ramsay closer, so you and me might be the only ones doing it ? The reset takes a couple of minutes more then the original reset, but I think on the street it is doable after the hat was passed and also the rest of the act is reorganised..
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
I bought Brother Paul routine,
It is now an early part of my street show, it gets people hooked. I use this at the end of the routine to get a kid to hold one end of the rope and give it a tug. I then lead him out as a volunteer, for the next faze of my show. Great Stuff. Mario The best part is you don't need more rope. |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: Yes my friend..stick to the routine you use
On 2005-03-08 11:29, Mario Morris wrote: However what I described can do exactly the same, one end of the rope can get thrown out at the end to hook a spec, actually there is a much better way.. If you know how to handle what I described, one already throws one end of the rope out for inspection to a spec and get's him close after the end of the first Ransay part, where the rope is completely restored.. NOW, you finish/do the Ramsay end, where you explain to them how you got the knots to vanish, you so have a spec close to you to hold one of the short pieces with a knot and go into the bizz where he blows on the knot and his doesn't disapears, yours does. Thereafter you restore your short piece to a long one.. You now have the option to throw out one end of this rope to catch another spec if you need 2 specs, or you just use the girl/guy you already trapped for the rest of your following routine.. And, in case you don't know, what I described does reuse the same rope over and over again, nothing gets cut and waisted.
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( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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saheer Regular user 123 Posts |
Bro. Paul's routine is pretty good and doesn't burn through rope. He also has some good materials about busking that are worth looking into. Daryl's routine (you don't necessarily need the tapes, just the $15 manuscript) is pretty good, too, and borrows a lot from Sands.
If you don't mind carrying all the rope around for multiple performances, Whit Haydn's mongolian pop knot routine is a well-structured cut and restored and professor's nightmare routine. I like being able to allow the spec. to cut the rope, so that's a great advantage. I just hate having to cart around all the rope!
"Because, without beer, things do not seem to go as well"
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Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
I am going to come to your fine flat land and drink bear out of your skull. (That's where the saying comes from)
Or at least busk on your pitch. LOL Mario PS Sorry every one else, Its the Danish, they still think there Vikings and that's all they understand if you meet one just punch them first and they will give you respect. Werner, you can go and sit in the corner. |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
I'll steal any of your audiences the second I start doing my rope-routine, whilst you're in the middle of yours..
You'll hear their laughters and the applause -even now when their back is turned to you and your hearingaid isn't working- when I reach the climax..there will be none left watching your stuff
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
See what I mean, Vickings.
They got Britsh kind of humor but German dress sense. Mario |
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
Boys, you're both pretty.
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C.Jakobsson Regular user Sweden 118 Posts |
Wow, many answers here;)
So when reading this, you don't recomend tabary? I really like the routines and think they can be good with a little more jokes and better patter, am I wrong? I have only seen these routines, no other... |
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Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts |
Quote: That's the right combination!
On 2005-03-09 06:14, Mario Morris wrote: You should try some *Lederhosen* and a *Tyrolerhat* just once.. then you'll make it your new costume for the street right away I mean, let your specs just for once have some fun..
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... ) |
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Mark Rough Inner circle Ivy, Virginia 2110 Posts |
Mark
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
I have not yet gone through Bro Paul's routine, but have the CD and will be doing it shortly.
But I came across an interesting routine on Jim Pace's Lecture tape. Mind you that Jim is a restaurant worker, (an a pyromaniac too. Which makes me respect him all the more) and not a street worker. But his routine has a couple of very nice moves and audience pleasers/confusers in it. The reason that I won't do it regularly on the street, is that you start with a 6 foot rope, and end up with two 3 footers... and that is too much rope consumption for a long day on the streets. Anyway, he does a "do as I do" cut and restore, and slide the knot off. And it works for the spectator, as his/her knot slides off just as Jim's did. It starts with a pretty conventional "cut and restore", he cuts, and ties the knot, trims the knot, and then slowly slides the knot off. He then gives the rope and scissors to a spec and encourages them to do what he did. So they cut it (yes, really cut it) and tie the ends, just as he appeared to do, and they trim the knot. And then Jim takes the rope and shows the knot slowly sliding off. And it looks just like the one he did. Then he closes by doing an immediate rope thru body with that rope. He mimes the whole routine, on the premise that restaurants are often too noisy to talk through a routine. I wouldnt do it that way unless I had to. As I talk a lot, and there are too many opportunities for great lines in this routine. But it really looks very nice. Is drop dead simple, and I think it would blow away an audience on the street, if you slip that one in as a change of pace (no pun intended as it came form Jim Pace's lecture tape..), and just did it once every few sets. BroDavid
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bropaul Loyal user Florida 222 Posts |
I agree with you Werner... Just another way of doing the same old stuff. As I credited in the notes This is a routine handed down through the ages with many hands on it Shawn Greer, Bruce Allen, Tommy Franks and of course George Sands, as well as myself. BUT the routine was too good to be lost in the muck.
George was a good friend of mine and I miss him now that he is not all there any more. We jammed on rope a lot and he is by far one of my favorite rope men. His work is history and will be learned and chopped up by many magicians now and in the future. Tabary is another man that is a great thinker of rope as well as Pavel. The help mold what we go out and make money with. I do expect people to take this routine and make it their own. Learn it and then use the phases that you want. Add to it and take stuff out. I think that's why I like rope so much it is one of those things that audiences truly like and I can do a 1 minute bit or a 9 minute routine or anything in between. It's just so much fun, packs light and is visual. As for the initial question on this thread, anything of Tabary's will play well if you spank it up a little with some good patter and change the sequences around. Personally I wouldn't do it as an opener. Stick it in the middle somewhere. There's a reason for this. I have found out that when you want to to a Tabary style rope trick, you want a good hold on your audience. Get them where you want them and then once the trust has been established you will be able to hold them with the visual rope stuff. Good luck my friend... |
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