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Alchimest Regular user Alchimest 133 Posts |
I came up with a Bizarre routine where I think it would enhance the effect if I painted (or whatever appropriate method) magical markings or symbols on a silk. Are there any suggestions as to a good method to accomplish this, preferably a method that is permanent and will not affect the handling or durability of the silk.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Alchimest,
There are three common ways to make one custom silk. The cheapest is Sharpie Pen. (Bring your lunch!) Painting and specifically air brushing is another alternative. The third and most expensive is silk-screening. For airbrushing I would contact Richard Hughes. Stephon Johnson is another very good artist/magician but I have been unable to locate him for years. You may have the talent your self or know of know others. (I can barely paint with a roller.) Sharpie pens are capable of pretty work but are a slow go and large solid areas will sometimes show lines. From my mis-spent youth, I still have one large black silk with a white rabbit head overlay on it. It does not handle well. I don’t recommend that method. However, if you are getting it out of a box or can, that may not be a problem. Good Luck! Bob Magic By Sander |
fccfp Special user NJ 563 Posts |
Bob,
Half the fun of custom silks is finding someone to do the art work Bruce P.S. Richard made me a special set of silks for a routine and they came out pretty well. They got a great reaction from the audience. I don't think he airbrushed them though. He talked about painting them and using something called "resist" (?). If I really knew, I would have done it myself. NOT!
A.K.A. Jay The Magician
www.jaythemagician.com |
Craig Ousterling Special user 585 Posts |
There's a product out there called Dye-na-Flow that can be had at Michael's Arts and Crafts among other craft shops. It's supposed to be real good at painting on silks. I'll let you know how it works when I pick some up. I found a whole bunch of blank white silks for dirt cheap and I'm going to experiment.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
GreyGhost,
We look forward to your blow by blow description about how this works. We always need solutions! I'm wishing you well! Bob Magic By Sander |
Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
Lay newspaper down on the table under the silk and tape everything down so that the silk (and paper) doesn't move. Use a pencil to sketch in what you want. Now use any type of permanent marker to add color along your sketching in pencil. You can now wash the silk and not loose your artwork.
The process is simple, and works well so try it first for yourself before sending out the project to a professional. Remember that there are a variety of sizes of permanent markers in art stores for the larger area’s that you might decide to color in. MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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fccfp Special user NJ 563 Posts |
Bob,
There is a guy at the local flea mkt that does airbrush artwork on t-shirts, etc. Would we need special paint/dye to do this on silk? Thanks, Bruce
A.K.A. Jay The Magician
www.jaythemagician.com |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
You can use any fabric paint but it will add stiffness and thickness to the fabric. With some fabric paints, it can also crack and chip off.
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Bruce,
You have exceeded my polygon of technical feasibility again! (PhD /consulting lingo for "I don't know!") Lucy paints on silks, that are stretched on frames and never ever folded, with acrylic paint. But she uses Sharpie pens on magicians' silks because it does not change the handling. (She only does them for me. An MD’s time is a little expensive for the silk market.) Nothing in the USA comes close to Rice and P&A. I have some from the 80s that were done with Rit (dye). The colors have gotten very light over time. Red is more like pink! The artist (S. Johnston) had real problems with "bleeding" using Rit. It seems best for tie-dyed projects with no sharp lines. He also tried using an airbrush. The absolute poorest results were obtained by using something from the craft store that was advertised to be especially for silk. The colors were real splotchy and non-uniform. They were a major and expensive disappointment. I never kept but one of those and that was for the pattern to copy. The rest I threw away immediately. The one I saved has been replaced, thanks to Lucy, with a Sharpie Pen silk. Robert Blair and I have a silk-screening operation that can print on magicians' silks but ink is used. We cannot produce the quality available from China or Japan. (Nobody wants to be compared to the work from India. They have a long ways yet to go.) The silk is noticeably stiffer too. It works better for trade shows and corporate logos etc. that are given away. The printed silks I do import for Dovelite to wholesale are done in China where the quality is better than currently available here in the USA. (The exception here would be Peter White at P&A. Rice is selling existing inventory.) I do import flags, Mis-Made Flags, dragons, butterflies, The End, Good-Bye, Happy Birthday, card silks, etc. standards in 18", 24" and 36" printed in China. They are on 5 momme silk for working magicians as opposed to collectors. They take about 63% of the load space of the "collectors'" silks in the same size. The large Mis-Made Flag sets are 36" instead of 30" silks. (That's 160% the size of the largest P&A but will fit in the same load space.) The material is commercially printed before the silk is cut and hemmed. So I really can't tell you what paint, ink or dye is used. I do know that white is a color in this process! Dovelite white silks are more opaque than some other importers' colored silks because, for Dovelite, they are dyed white. (Black is the hardest color to dye real silk!) I look forward to what you learn. One of a kind magicians' silks are always on magicians' "want list". Something I will caution you about is that many things will deaden the glow of silk. Silk's ability to use the light is one of its best characteristics. Of course, we all vote to spend your money and see if it works! Good Luck! Bob Magic By Sander |
evanthx Regular user Seattle, WA 197 Posts |
I just saw Tim Sonefelt lecture. He was pretty good. He has some Very nice silks that looked pretty impressive. If you can give him the digital artwork, he says he can get it printed on the silks.
He showed us three silks, one of which had been through his washing machine, and it hadn't faded at all. They really looked like nice quality silks. So I just wanted to pass that on as another option. He has a web site here: http://www.wonderimagery.com/ Note that I'm not connected to him at all nor do I know anything other than, well, what I saw in his sales pitch. I was impressed, though! |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2005-04-26 07:30, evanthx wrote: I'm impressed too! Bob Magic By Sander |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2005-04-12 19:10, Craig Ousterling wrote: Craig, We're still waiting. You know magicians, we are braver if you go first! Bob Magic By Sander |
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