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J Wessmiller
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Turner's tape runs the same length as mine (1 hour 33 mins), but he demonstrates 200 moves instead of 50. I teach the moves step by step.
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Again, if you enjoy this type of material, I would definately suggest this dvd. Please don't take my comments above as any type of criticism Smile
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Jeff,

I wasn't implying that your DVD was inferior to Turners; I would not describe The Cheat as a teaching video at all (and this has been covered elsewhere).

It's hard for me to sound objective, as I have a similar product, but I also have about 22 years of teaching experience, and I'm a fan of detail. On TSB I spend 48 minutes on three moves, and I had to leave stuff off because I ran out of space.

That's not to detract from what you have made. I look forward to seeing it.

Take care, Ian
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Thanks for the review Razzle. I've placed an order as well and will post my thoughts when I get a chance to see the material. I'm not as interested in learning the false deals since Ian's CD is still keeping me busy with that aspect. I'm mainly looking to gain more information regarding riffle stacking/mucking in this DVD, so I'm hoping Jeff covers this subject area in detail.
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Jeff Wessmiller's work is okay in my opinion and should be commended. Of what I've seen and I've seen a lot he's definitely not too far behind the big boys, as someone said earlier all the big guys also have so, so moves on their DVD's/Videos too.

You can always learn something new that you've never seen before so be optimistic.

Now regarding all the cheating DVD's that ya'll say doesn't teach, I beg to differ, it does teaches and when I want to learn something new that I feel that I need I go right to them and learn the moves in a matter of an hour or so.

If you can't take what you see on those DVD's and learn from them, how in the world would you think you would learn if you were realy hustling and someone was teaching you something. I'm gonna let you in on a secret they DO NOT BABY SIT YOU after they show you a couple of times. If you don't learn it, that's on you.

Jeff keep up the good work and I'm sorry I couldn't give you a line for your DVD.

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Quality product.
All I can say.
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."

-Dai Vernon "The Professor"


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On 2005-03-10 11:06, tommy wrote:
There is a bit about him here.

http://www.styleweekly.com/article.asp?idarticle=9374

I think he is good for kid age age 21. Give him a break! I will order one anyway.

Tommy

Next week Wessmiller turns 21. In January, heíll take his first trip to Las Vegas to scout the casinos. ďWith more poker comes more cheats, so Iím going to try to shut it down.Ē

Oy vey.

His handling's very stiff and studied. Looks way too tense. Big tells on the deals. The demo muck looked decent. Stacks were ok, better than the majority of most card guys (which isn't saying much), but still too slow for my liking.

I certainly wouldn't buy it. That said, with some more practice I think he'd do ok. Glad to see someone putting passion and effort into a project like this.
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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J Wess don't take Mr. Z's post as a bashing post because I don't think he really means it like that; he's speaking from experience. You have to take what he says about your fault's if there are any and improve upon them, this is how I got better. Everytime someone in a game that I was in mentioned something regarding what I did that did not look right, I went home and polished up on it until there were no more defects.

There are flaws in your work and we all have them but you're good and nobody can take that away from you. I just looked at my bottom deal today and it was horrible. I then said to myself how in the world can I critique Ian's work when his look better then mine at the moment.

Ian I'm going to have to study your DVD too in order to brush up on some things.

One thing I know in order to stay on top you definitely have to keep practicing everyday and even before you go to a game because we're not perfect and old bad habits always pop back up at the wrong time.

Respectfully

Doc
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On 2005-03-11 00:23, Unknown419 wrote:
J Wess don't take Mr. Z's post as a bashing post because I don't think he really means it like that; he's speaking from experience. You have to take what he says about your fault's if there are any and improve upon them, this is how I got better. Everytime someone in a game that I was in mentioned something regarding what I did that did not look right, I went home and polished up on it until there were no more defects.

There are flaws in your work and we all have them but you're good and nobody can take that away from you. I just looked at my bottom deal today and it was horrible. I then said to myself how in the world can I critique Ian's work when his look better then mine at the moment.

Ian I'm going to have to study your DVD too in order to brush up on some things.

One thing I know in order to stay on top you definitely have to keep practicing everyday and even before you go to a game because we're not perfect and old bad habits always pop back up at the wrong time.

Respectfully

Doc



Yep, Doc hit the nail on the head.
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As Herbe Zarrow said ďRemember this is for teaching Ē
If I judged teaching tapes by performance, Herbe would be low on my list. as do not, he is top.
If I find just one gambling move out of the forty, then I will get back my $30 backs + you can bank on that.

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J Wessmiller
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Mr. Z and Doc,
Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts. I don't mind ANY constructive critism at all, and have taken your points into consideration.
thanks again and be well,
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Hey Everyone,
The Live Game files are now online and included in the download. To me this is the most interesting part of the DVD. After all you can learn all the moves you want but if you don't know when/where to use them, they are of little use.
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I bought the instant download and viewed all the files last night. I was very impressed with all section of the video except for the hopping the deck section. The passes really flash badly and are incredibly obvious. I don't think this is a comment on Jeffs work, I think maybe a more realstic camera angle from other players perspectives might have been useful. The angle they are filmed from is as if your head is just peering over the table edge watching. A higher, tighter angle would have been useful in seeing how the shifts fly in a game. I know myself from working with the shifts described, except for the West pass, how they would hold up.

Another point, the tells and problems you mention with Marlos Master Grip and the Phantoms Key position are the exact tells you exhibit with your straddle gripped bottom deal. I do notice that you do have EXCEPTIONALLY long fingers, perhaps its just something that you will never get away from Smile The second deal looked nice though.
Anyway, nice work, the mucking is very impressive.
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I've managed to watch snippets of some of the videos, and they look interesting. I think I'm going to enjoy sitting through the rest of them. The live footage is a nice touch, but I've only had time to watch the first hand so far!

Jeff - did the others know you were going to be moving in the game? I'm assuming they knew they were being taped?

Take care, and good luck with the DVD.

Ian
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Very nice stacking at the end... The video's an interesting concept.
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I'm still waiting for mine to arrive, but I have a question for those of you that have viewed it already. How in-depth is he with the explanations of each section? Does he sort of just breeze over them or are they pretty well-covered? As I mentioned before, the two that I'm really looking to get more info on is riffle stacking/mucking, so how is Jeff's coverage on this? Thanks in advance.
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J Wessmiller keep up the great work. What Doc and Mr. Z and the way that they said it was much in the way the old school magicians used to say things to me. Take it use it and add it to what you know.

The old school hard showmen of magic did not sugar cote things.

I think what you do is great and in time it will be even greater. Your 21 and this skilled - wait till your in your 30's or 40'... You will be great/great!
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J Wessmiller you know what's going on at the moment besides you being critiqued? You're getting good reviews by what magicians and society call "FAST COMPANYĒ and you should be proud of it. If you can fool them then you would definitely not have a problem fooling the suckers who donít know what to look for at the card table.

Those people at the card table are the suckers around the world who you are trying to fool and cheat not these here magicians/Fast Company who would also be fooled if they were at the table because they wouldn't know when the move was coming.

Not As Good As I Used To Be

J I'm not as good as I used to be not because I don't still have the talent, there's not enough hours in the day for me to practice everything I know or learned throughout the years over and over again just to satisfy these here magicians that Iím good. I used to know of 10 different ways to hop a deck but why practice 10 when you're only going to use the one that you feel is your best one and that will not get you killed. I don't practice the inferior hops any longer because itís a waste of my time and neither should you as you get better and better. This rule will apply to all of your inferior moves.

Oh and J one more thing, if you know of 10 hops and 8 of them have severe flashing angle problems you have to omit them from your repertoire and keep the two that doesnít. Why? Because at the card table you'll be dealing with all angles and you donít want any flashes. There is an exception to the rule though; if you have only two people at the table then you might be able to do that bad angle move and get away with it because the seating positions is not the same as it would be if 5 or 6 players were playing.

No One Knows Every Gambling Move

This is why I invented my Infinity Pass of which I'm now just getting the kinks out of and it's looking even more beautiful than ever because I too saw flaws in all the hops so I set out to solve the problem an I did by inventing this one. You canít be confined to what these gambling books teaches that doesnít exist; these guys donít know what theyíre talking about. What one person that you know, knows every gambling move? There is none. Not even Steve as good as he is know every gambling move that exist. This is why I fooled him when I met him with my Cold Deck switches, this was the first time ever that he saw cold deck moves done the way I did them and still to date the moves that I do have never ever been done or mentioned the way that I do it in any gambling book known.

Oh and Paul or Tommy said something to this respect I canít remember who said it and itís so true, if you can get one good move off of a DVD/video then you really havenít wasted your money because that move will make you more money than you spent on that DVD. I once bought a Ross Bertramís book for $60 sometime ago and only got one good gambling move out of it and that move paid for that book many times over and it also got me a reputation across the country of making a deck completely vanish after cold decking and standing up and showing my self completely clean for the magicians here in New York City of which I got a standing ovation.

Why The Best Gets Better

J the reason why Steve Forte is getting better all the time is because cheats such as myself and great magicians from all around the world fly to meet and to see him work and while in the interim for whatever reason they feel show and teach him their moves and this is why he canít do nothing but keep getting better. What these here magicians are actually seeing in Steve is all the best cheaters of the world cheating moves that have been shown to him (Steve has not shown the best moves) and since they donít know where these moves are coming from this is why they ultimately admire him as the worldís best gambling card manipulator of which I have to agree.

This is the reason why before I even met Steve that I video taped all the best cheats that taught me throughout my travels who let me tape them so that I could remember everything that they taught me because you canít remember everything you saw, you just canít so by buying the best miniature pocket digital camcorder that was out at that time (the one thatís in Bad Boys II) it solved my memory problem.

So in order for me to try and keep up with Steve in my own way is why Iím at this forum because yaíll have a lot of knowledge about things that you donít even know that would help a cheat get better. In other words what Iím trying to say is this, since the best cheats in the world wonít come to visit me like they do Steve, I have to do the next best thingÖ visit yaíll magicianís/cheats here at this forum and pick yaíll brain in order to get what I need in order to become better than I am now.

This is why I post certain things at times in order to pick yaíllís brain for my benefit even though in the process Iím still teaching yaíll (Are you getting this MagicKim? This is why I tell you to use the search engine and read my post of that particular topic of which you want an answer to so you can stop re-asking me the same questions over and over again. My answers wonít change because youíre PM-ing me of which I really donít mind you doing, I just want you work for what you get then youíll appreciate it much better then if someone just constantly gave you the answers all the time).

J back to you, so on this note alone invent, invent and invent like I do and make up your own moves and variants and become good on your own. Note: These are some of the answers to my questions of ďHow Do You Think Steve Forte Got GoodĒ answered here; learn from it for those interested in cheating for a livelihood.

Reinventing The Poker/Brag Switch

You know just yesterday I learned and improved upon the Richard Turnerís Poker switch that Simon Lovell also did on his video of which I liked but didn't like. Why? Because I saw great potential in that move really working at the card table. Richard Turner's way of handling the poker switch move seem more logical to my mind than Simon's and also I donít like someone to show me how to do a move first and then demonstrate it second because to me it shows the lack of ability on their part to do that move without being seen (just my opinion though I could be wrong); show and fool me first, then show me how to do it. After analyzing what I viewed to be flaws in their handling of that particular move, I came up with the solution and solved the problem and you should see the move now, it looks awesome and from all angles.

J believe me I went through all of those moves that you're doing now and have now forgotten about them. I was thinking yesterday of putting out a DVD of never before seen gambling moves because everything else like seconds and bottoms are already demonstrated so why should I put out the same thing? It would be an overkill, but I'm always thinking this way anyway and then don't want to show the secret so I just forget about it.

J you know we still have to get together and practice with each other in order for you to brush me up on somethingís and for me to brush you up on somethingís. Donít forget about me when you get famous.


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One question I have is in the video you mention(correct me if I'm wrong) that in Expert at the card table, erndase says to maintain uniformity in your playing. Yet you teach a different grip for your second deal and bottom deals. Would this not be a sort of tell to people, that you're changing the way you hold the deck for different deals?

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy this teaching tape. I've learned a lot so far.
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1. Use your skills for niceness, instead of evil, guys.

2. You all do realize that in Vegas, they don't let you deal in the poker games, right?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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