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Tommy is absolutely right. If you know, that a bottom deal is coming up you would see it even if the best dealer in the world is doing it. The psychological deception is far more importent then the visual one. when you try to fool people who know what to look for, you will never be happy with your deal.
When I watch my bottom on video, I can see it myself but I´ve never been caught in a game.
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Both Tommy and Doc have done some really great posting on this tread.

Thank you.

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Who ever don't have Glenn's 3 Shell video ought to get it and add it to their gambliing collection; it's a must have.

Glenn I added that 3 Shell segment to My Best of the Best videos I just wanted to let you know that your handling was the best that I've seen to date.

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Thanks Doc...

The e-book on the shell game was just put up at my bishmagic.org web site as a FREE download.

It is pasword protected the password is Dai Vernon's real last name.
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How is the teaching?
You know you are a magician when you have boxes full of lecture notes you have never read, but still are excited about going out and buying more.

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The teaching is quite good. Well worth the cost. This is not for the advanced or expert magician.
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I thought that the dvd was okay, however I already knew most of what was taught on the dvd so it didn't do much for me. however if you are just getting into cheating moves this is a good place to start.
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I've been sitting from a distance trying my best not to post here. I just wanted to see what people were saying. But alas, I can hold it in no longer.

I've know Jay for quite awhile now. Being his roommate has it's ups and downs, but in my honest opinion he is with out a doubt one of the most clever, humble and talented people I know. I am not saying this to make him feel good, or to battle the negative things said about him. I am saying this because I believe it. I've seen this DVD from the conceptual stages (when he was going to film, edit, and release it independently), to his pre-release from Expert Magic, to the final "hard" copy that everyone is watching now. I remember when he was going to write a book, and I've read the beginning portions. He has an unquenchable thirst for this and in my humble opinion, that is more than I can say for the hundreds of magicians I've met. As he has said, he is not doing this for the money, or the fame. He wants to in some way contribute to the community that has been so kind to him. He wants someone to see this, and say, "I want to learn everyting I can about this." If he can say he changed or affected one person he would die happy I think.

Jay does not have flawless technique, but neither does Darwin Ortiz, Steve Forte or any of the numerous names you can spit out. I have seen both of their work and YES I am impressed, but we all have holes in our form. I can say however that when Darwin met Jay, he was pleased with what he saw and commended Jay for the passion that they shared. A common bond.

This DVD is wonderful. It shows what some one with fortitude and a love of an art can do. He doesn't cheat. He doesn't lie or steal. He just enjoys what he does and wants to share that with you. Think of it as a filmed session and he is laying on the table what he knows. Pretty generous in my opinion. He has a library of books and tapes that takes up shelves upon shelves, and he is giving you the true gems. For you to take and make your own. Granted everyting in this DVD won't fly in every game. But can you say that every magic trick you have seen is made and meant for every audience? NO. Everyting on it isn't perfect. But give me a break. Put in your dues, learn all you can and make a DVD and then you can complain! Don't pass judgement so harshly.

That's what drives the magical community into shambles. The name calling and the speak softly but carry a big stick philosophy. Embrace the people that embrace our art. They are the future of magic. Jay will be there in 20 years, because he has material he will be remembered for. Make your mark in magic. GOOD OR BAD PUBLICITY IS PUBLICITY. Think about that the next time you post.

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Jay does not have flawless technique, but neither does Darwin Ortiz, Steve Forte or any of the numerous names you can spit out.

You obviously have not seen Steve work in person. "Flawless" is way too small of a compliment. The comparison of the two is insulting. And Steve has a "tad" bit more experience about what he is talking about than Jay.

And just for the record, if you are going to present yourself as an "expert" on advantage play, perhaps one should actually have played for money (and even moved under fire) in a real world situation: card room, casino, etc. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Indeed,

the comparison between someone with 40 years of experience and recognized world class expert in card manipulation, with a kid with 5-10 years in the field (and under very different conditions) is somehow ridiculous.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Wessmiler's technique is trivial. He has attain a certain degree of proficiency, but he has a long-long way to mastery.
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Plus he looks like skelator from He-man!
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If you were not such a worm you could be living on snake mountain yourself.
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You are on the path to true enlightenment young grasshopper
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I have not seen Forte work in person, but I have seen all of his GPS Tapes. You would think the material on there would be his best work. I mean he has multiple takes and the ability to play the best angles right? But this is not a question of who is the best, or who has golden hands. The fact is, we as magicians are so critical of everything and everyone. Jay loves his craft and he no matter what anyone says he will continue to do so. Flooding of the magic market is evident. Bad material, from people who know little about the subject (the video TIED by Jason Wethington I believe is a true example) is prevalent. But Jay has good stuff, and is well read. Just look forward to his material 20+ years down the road! I mean imagine what Steve Forte's and Darwin Ortiz's work would have looked like at age 20. Would it be the wonderful work they do now? I dunno. I give credit where credit is due and I think this is an accomplishment to a guy so young and so talented. 1000 copies sold so far and counting......WOW.

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What do you want?

Us to give him credit for things he will do in the future?
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On 2005-04-09 13:46, Jonathan Brown wrote:
I have not seen Forte work in person, but I have seen all of his GPS Tapes. You would think the material on there would be his best work. I mean he has multiple takes and the ability to play the best angles right? But this is not a question of who is the best, or who has golden hands. The fact is, we as magicians are so critical of everything and everyone. Jay loves his craft and he no matter what anyone says he will continue to do so. Flooding of the magic market is evident. Bad material, from people who know little about the subject (the video TIED by Jason Wethington I believe is a true example) is prevalent. But Jay has good stuff, and is well read. Just look forward to his material 20+ years down the road! I mean imagine what Steve Forte's and Darwin Ortiz's work would have looked like at age 20. Would it be the wonderful work they do now? I dunno. I give credit where credit is due and I think this is an accomplishment to a guy so young and so talented. 1000 copies sold so far and counting......WOW.

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JB

Although I agree with the spirit of what you are saying in general I can not understand why you make big of a few negative comments.

You can not please everyone in particular it is the nature of bottom deals that they get criticised no matter who demos them. You seem to be implying Wess has had a bad overall review here but I see many positive comments in the above, here are just a few:

“the mucking was pretty well done.”

“This guy has a nice rifflestack and his mucking is okay”

“Jwess is very good at everything he does. he told me about the dvd ages ago and I fully expect it to be quality.”

“I think he is good for kid age age 21. Give him a break! I will order one anyway.”

“He has some demos on his website and his bottom and second look fine on those demos”

“The demos on his website defnitely look much better than the one for the DVD.

“I think he is good for a 21 year old, and I guess it's wrong to compare him to the greats such as Ortiz and Nash since they've been doing this for awhile now.”

“Judging from his downloads he shows enthusiasm and flair for gambling sleights. I'm definitely in the queue for his DVD.”

Tommy
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On 2005-04-09 13:46, Jonathan Brown wrote:
I have not seen Forte work in person, but I have seen all of his GPS Tapes. You would think the material on there would be his best work.

Just for your info...Steve's GPS tapes were done about 20 years ago when he was in in his mid to late twenties. So you can imagine what his hands are like now. The difference being with Steve is that when he did his tapes, he had lots of experience. He had done his homework you could say.

I guess the thing that gets under a lot of our skins is that it seems like as soon as someone learns how to do a few things and not totally expose them in the process of performing, they run out and make a video, put something in print etc. It's this race to jump up in front of people and start pontificating about how to do this and that. "Wow. I've been in magic for over two years - I guess it's time to set up a lecture tour!"

Hey, I'm all for taking money off the fish anytime you can. It just get's to be a bit sad sometimes. I mean how many videos/dvd's has Steve Freeman put out?
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Just out of interest has Steve Forte ever cheated or even gambled? All I know is he was a casino manager at the age of 28 and it does not follow he was a gambler because of that. Many guys in the casino business never gamble I am not sure if they can without loosing their licence.
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I just love all these "inner circle" people and the questions they ask.
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